Why pay for Tips right?

Would like to know your inputs on paying for tips guys. As some states "the info is out there" so why go pay for it??

Today only 3,51 tickets was part of the Clairwood P6, my subscribers and the ones that took the time to check my post on ABC probably picking up the bulk of the tickets paying R328470,50. As they say each to there own right, but throwing good money into a pit being out by 1/2 every time does have an argument for paying R1500.00 a month which works out to R40,00 per meeting ( 2 beers at a local pub)

I am not stating that tipsters is always right, but we do spend an awfull amount of time trying to get it right. The JP also paid a handsome R6597,50 today which was also caught. Earlier this week I posted a R47552,00 PA for free as well for R3456.00 and a couple of smaller exotic wins but they keep on coming.

We all love this game but it is a whole lot better if we are showing a profit I believe, let me know your thoughts since I would love to know what others think.
Is it worth it for a tipster to do all the hard work for say R20k a month in subscribers fees?? No, definately not, but hey the recognitions and your own bank roll makes it worth the effort!

May we all be right every day guys and lets have FUN in what we do! To me it's the thrill of getting it right, the inner feelings when you could have shared it with others that loves the game....

Regards,

Loopy

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Would you not just earn more if you didn`t sell your PA /JACKPOTS etc etc,surely if your giving 20 people the winning the numbers the dividends will be way smaller?:S

I gave the numbers to members of this forum for free today right? It's not just about the money Hibs, it's more about the satisfaction you get out of it by cracking the code, the comraderie of the clan, sharing thoughts, gathering info, and sharing it with all right?

Being on a high together when we are right...figuring out where to improve, and improving all the time. If the money was the only motivater I would not be doing it at all since the subs I collect in a month is bread money.

What does get me off is the success, the thrill to be right Hibs. Must be one of the reasons starting this clan as well...

Loopy
I subscribed to many a tipping service .
Got nothing to show as results are concernd.
Certain gaurantees did not help at all.
Im using yours and the clan and advice getting from them.
I try my utmost to show a profit.
Please keep going and the clan trust i will hit the jackpot or PA soon.
Keep going Gents and Thanks.

I think Loopy has a point regarding cracking the code. In any event several people just take small percentages of a tipsters recommendations. No one has the same budget. I am very frugal and usually only play in pick 6es in which I have what I call an edge. A concept I talk about in my book Winning Pick 6 Strategies.

I am fairly new to this forum. I enjoy it and I think there are some pretty sharp minds on this forum. I enjoy the camaraderie too. And the jokes and the jibes. It makes the game enjoyable, tough as it is to win. I sell my software worldwide and my book worldwide. I am not a tipster and have also posted my thoughts about the pick 6 this week for free on the forum. The pick 6 I sliced and diced at Arlington won on a full perm of R75k or R36k if I took either of the scratchings in leg 1 but who can afford to play at that level? So I sliced and diced it to R10k but it lost. For me it is about using mathematical structures that guarantee a win at a much lower cost than a full perm if the pattern of the pick 6 is right viz. FFBBBO meaning 2 favorites, 3 mid-priced runners and one outsider. This concept is called the science of combinatorial systems which use mathematical minimums. In other words what are the least number of tickets at the lowest possible cost one can use to win the pick 6?

It is bloody hard work and you don't want to know how much money went into my R&D cost. I am sure Loopy can say the same. No amount of money subscribers can pay us can compensate for the man hours that have gone into the software etc. The blood sweat and tears to get it right. So for me it is a great joy to share some of my findings and insights for free occassionaly.

I would like to charge for my pick 6 and jackpot constructions but I don't know how much people here for instance would be willing to pay on a daily basis for it. R20? R30? Weekly? Monthly? I have no idea. Maybe some of you can suggest something? I also have access to software that assesses US races and ranks them with its own built in odds. If any of you are keen maybe we can form a small group and play some exacta's, trifectas on the races where there is value on the US races. The software was developed by Michael Pizzola author of Handicapping Magic, a colleague in the industry. He posted a review of their greatest racing event at Belmont and in one race I had a 50-1 shot which I took places on at the bookies in Cape Town. It ran 3rd. Now that is value for me. I have his level one software. Incidentally Handicapping Magic is a great addition to any handicapper's arsenal.

In any event I will continue to share some constructions at a lower cost. That means what I call shoestring budget pick 6es and jackpots. But the workman is worthy of his hire and Loopy I know has developed something worthwhile. My own approach is based on my interest in mathematical models and stats and research and testing. It takes me about two to three hours to be happy with a pick 6 post before it comes to this forum. I can do it quicker. But why so long? Because I respect the forum and the people who post here. Regardless of who I am as a published author or software creator. That is irrelevant. It s about the sense of community.

Sometimes tipsters get it right sometimes wrong. I measure a tipster by my ROI. I take the bet I like (he has done the hard work for me) and maybe add one or two of my own and take my percentage all within my daily budget. For instance John Sweet's EW bet has a great ROI especially if you keep reinvesting the winnings. But I am not a player who plays winners or places much. I rarely do. Only if I think a horse is really neglected in the betting and I think he has a chance. I am more of a jackpot or pick 6 man.

Just my thoughts about Loopy's post. I know what he is getting at. The sense of gratification at getting it right. I tipped a R350k Greyville pick 6 which I sent to Loopy on 21 Feb this year. The cost was R9160 for 20 tickets. That too me was huge as a developer. The odds were 38-1. Just getting it right! That's what you are getting at Loopy, right?

Until tomorrow guys. Have a great evening! And if I ranted for too long, apologies guys! It's Saturday night and I am about to watch the England USA game.

Seems like hardwork to take a percentage on a wide pick6 like this when you can simply find 1 horse at 10/1. The pick 6's I have won have been R8.00 and R6.00 full unit bets. This where the magic and challenge is not 1% of a R10K layout on P6

Loopy if you really believed in your tipping you would take the bets yourself not sell the information.

yawn yawn

Have never been in favour of paying for tips and had the first tipping service in SA? FPTP (first past the post) but was formed to start syndicate bets before we could take a percentage.
If you are confident of your info just punt and good punting!

Loopy you mentioned that the cost was about 30k for your Clairwood pick 6 yesterday, it is actually R44k giving a return of about 7.5/1:

Clairwood:
PA 12,11 x 14,3,4,1,5,6 x 3,2,5 x 9,2,3,1,10,14 x 6,7,2,13 x 10,1 x 6,9,4,8,3
P6 14,3,4,1,5,6,16 x 3,2,5,10,11,12 x 9,2,3,1,18,14,11 x 6,13,2,9,7 x 10,1,7,5,6 x 6,9,4,8,3,2
JP 3,2,5,10,11,12 x 9,2,3,1,18,14,11 x 6,13,2,9,7 x 1,7,4,5,6

I want be in your gang your gang...oh yeah!!