SUPER 15 - WEEK BY WEEK
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12 years 10 months ago
SA is on a roll, let's hope it continues
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12 years 10 months ago
If the Sharks win it must go down as the greatest comeback in the history of the competition. After their loss to the Lions they looked to have little chance of qualification then the 3 away trips in 3 weeks.
As well as the Sharks have played the last 2 weeks the Chiefs will be a different story. The Reds had their playmaker suspended and then lost their replacement flyhalf early on causing a huge disruption to their setup. Then beat the Stormers who have been well off top form in the run in to the Semi's. The Chiefs have been the form team of the competition and showed it again with a gutsy win over the Saders last week. They have a solid half back combination and a brilliant inside center. They have a solid pack of forwards and no visible weak link.
I will be shouting the Sharks home but we cannot compare the Chiefs to the Sharks previous knockout opposition. I hope I am wrong but see The Chiefs winning by about 10 points (sorry FC).
As well as the Sharks have played the last 2 weeks the Chiefs will be a different story. The Reds had their playmaker suspended and then lost their replacement flyhalf early on causing a huge disruption to their setup. Then beat the Stormers who have been well off top form in the run in to the Semi's. The Chiefs have been the form team of the competition and showed it again with a gutsy win over the Saders last week. They have a solid half back combination and a brilliant inside center. They have a solid pack of forwards and no visible weak link.
I will be shouting the Sharks home but we cannot compare the Chiefs to the Sharks previous knockout opposition. I hope I am wrong but see The Chiefs winning by about 10 points (sorry FC).
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12 years 10 months ago
Chiefs on the handicap to make some money, but in my heart i will be hoping for the Sharks.
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12 years 10 months ago
CHIEFS 7/20 vs SHARKS 22/10 (Odds quoted are for lifting the cup)
The long and arduous journey which started back in late February reaches its conclusion in Hamilton, NZ at 9:35 on Saturday morning.
It’s worth noting that the ante-post prices of the two finalists was Chiefs 14/1 and Sharks 12/1 ; so this final can hardly be described as a ‘form result’. But it does highlight the fact that there was expected to be little to choose between the two sides over the course of the full season.
Had you been astute enough to choose one or both sides as your ‘destination’ punt then you should have amassed a king’s ransom in stock during the course of the season as the Chiefs traded as high as 16/1 whilst the Sharks could also have been punted at 25/1 in Week 11 and again at that price as recently as Week 17. These prices certainly give the lie to the widely held misconception that sports betting is not a proposition as prices are always too short.
As mentioned in a previous post – the other amazing statistic from this season has been the complete absence of a draw in any of the matches; something which has not happened before in the entire history of Super Rugby.
If you are contemplating a punt on Saturday be sure to check your bets : Are you punting your fancy to lift the cup or are you simply backing them over 80 minutes?
A lot has already been written about this final so I will try not to repeat it here other than to make a couple of general observations :
Both sides have yet to succeed in a final. The Chiefs have failed once and the Sharks 3 times. In defence of both sides all but one of the abovementioned finals were ‘away from home’ fixtures for the losing side.
Last week the Sharks’ success started from the first scrum and spread from there. But a notable aspect of their front row is that their scrumming often starts like a house on fire for the first 20 minutes and thereafter becomes quite ‘manageable’ once the initial adrenalin has been expended. Unlike the Crusaders who appear able to orchestrate a big scrum on demand. My concern for the Sharks this week is that the Beast is fronted by one Ben Tameifuna – a 20 yr old 135kg monster who is a far cry from the marshmallow Brock Harris of last week. Consequently the front row dominance which I predicted last week might not be so easy to achieve on this occasion.
When is a concussion not a concussion? There is an anomaly in the rules, surely. Bismarck Du Plessis was knocked out cold in his collision with Eben Etzebeth last week. I fail to see how a knockout is not also a concussion of sorts. So should Bismarck even be playing this week given that concussions equal a mandatory 2 week suspension under IRB rules?
I hope Charl McLeod spends a lot less time appealing to the referee and more time sniping around the fringes of the scrum. He will certainly need to be a lot more vigilant as his opponent has been making merry doing just that for the whole season.
It is no little irony that Steve Walsh will be handling this match. He will forever be remembered as the man who missed a vital knock on in the dying minutes of the 2007 final when Habana scored that heartbreaking try deep into injury time. Interestingly the ‘culprit’ whose missed conversion allowed the Bulls the opportunity to grab that improbable win –Frans Steyn – is disqualified from playing in accordance with the rules of the competition. Might the account be balanced on Saturday? Sport is strange in that way.
Without labouring the point everything points to a Chiefs win. But the Sharks & Stormers are the only South African sides who have consistently won away from home and particularly in NZ. So the sense of inevitable doom that would accompany the Bulls, Lions or Cheetahs in a similar clash is not present.
The long and arduous journey which started back in late February reaches its conclusion in Hamilton, NZ at 9:35 on Saturday morning.
It’s worth noting that the ante-post prices of the two finalists was Chiefs 14/1 and Sharks 12/1 ; so this final can hardly be described as a ‘form result’. But it does highlight the fact that there was expected to be little to choose between the two sides over the course of the full season.
Had you been astute enough to choose one or both sides as your ‘destination’ punt then you should have amassed a king’s ransom in stock during the course of the season as the Chiefs traded as high as 16/1 whilst the Sharks could also have been punted at 25/1 in Week 11 and again at that price as recently as Week 17. These prices certainly give the lie to the widely held misconception that sports betting is not a proposition as prices are always too short.
As mentioned in a previous post – the other amazing statistic from this season has been the complete absence of a draw in any of the matches; something which has not happened before in the entire history of Super Rugby.
If you are contemplating a punt on Saturday be sure to check your bets : Are you punting your fancy to lift the cup or are you simply backing them over 80 minutes?
A lot has already been written about this final so I will try not to repeat it here other than to make a couple of general observations :
Both sides have yet to succeed in a final. The Chiefs have failed once and the Sharks 3 times. In defence of both sides all but one of the abovementioned finals were ‘away from home’ fixtures for the losing side.
Last week the Sharks’ success started from the first scrum and spread from there. But a notable aspect of their front row is that their scrumming often starts like a house on fire for the first 20 minutes and thereafter becomes quite ‘manageable’ once the initial adrenalin has been expended. Unlike the Crusaders who appear able to orchestrate a big scrum on demand. My concern for the Sharks this week is that the Beast is fronted by one Ben Tameifuna – a 20 yr old 135kg monster who is a far cry from the marshmallow Brock Harris of last week. Consequently the front row dominance which I predicted last week might not be so easy to achieve on this occasion.
When is a concussion not a concussion? There is an anomaly in the rules, surely. Bismarck Du Plessis was knocked out cold in his collision with Eben Etzebeth last week. I fail to see how a knockout is not also a concussion of sorts. So should Bismarck even be playing this week given that concussions equal a mandatory 2 week suspension under IRB rules?
I hope Charl McLeod spends a lot less time appealing to the referee and more time sniping around the fringes of the scrum. He will certainly need to be a lot more vigilant as his opponent has been making merry doing just that for the whole season.
It is no little irony that Steve Walsh will be handling this match. He will forever be remembered as the man who missed a vital knock on in the dying minutes of the 2007 final when Habana scored that heartbreaking try deep into injury time. Interestingly the ‘culprit’ whose missed conversion allowed the Bulls the opportunity to grab that improbable win –Frans Steyn – is disqualified from playing in accordance with the rules of the competition. Might the account be balanced on Saturday? Sport is strange in that way.
Without labouring the point everything points to a Chiefs win. But the Sharks & Stormers are the only South African sides who have consistently won away from home and particularly in NZ. So the sense of inevitable doom that would accompany the Bulls, Lions or Cheetahs in a similar clash is not present.
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Re: Re: SUPER 15 - WEEK BY WEEK
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Garrick Wrote:
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> Both sides have yet to succeed in a final. The
> Chiefs have failed once and the Sharks 3 times. In
> defence of both sides all of the abovementioned
> finals were ‘away from home’ fixtures for the
> losing side.
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> It is no little irony that Steve Walsh will be handling this match. He will forever be remembered as the man who missed a vital knock on in the dying minutes of the 2007 final when Habana scored that heartbreaking try deep into injury time.
That try Habana scored was in Durban refuting fact above. Thanks for the bad flashback as a homegrown Durban Sharks' fan8-) :X Everything against the Sharks, money says Chiefs, gut and heart hoping for Sharks. Sharks like being the underdogs, ask Naas and the Bulls when we were still 'The Banana Boys'
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> Both sides have yet to succeed in a final. The
> Chiefs have failed once and the Sharks 3 times. In
> defence of both sides all of the abovementioned
> finals were ‘away from home’ fixtures for the
> losing side.
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> It is no little irony that Steve Walsh will be handling this match. He will forever be remembered as the man who missed a vital knock on in the dying minutes of the 2007 final when Habana scored that heartbreaking try deep into injury time.
That try Habana scored was in Durban refuting fact above. Thanks for the bad flashback as a homegrown Durban Sharks' fan8-) :X Everything against the Sharks, money says Chiefs, gut and heart hoping for Sharks. Sharks like being the underdogs, ask Naas and the Bulls when we were still 'The Banana Boys'
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Re: Re: SUPER 15 - WEEK BY WEEK
12 years 10 months ago
can see a hiding for the sharks tomorrow, reds and stormers were brutal. Chiefs a big step up, and if the chiefs get ahead and the sharks start to chase and tire, it could get ugly.
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12 years 10 months ago
Wow what a complete performance by the Chiefs. A bridge too far for the gutsy Sharks. Tha Chiefs have been the best team throughout the competition and deserve their title. (tu)
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Re: Re: SUPER 15 - WEEK BY WEEK
12 years 10 months ago
CHIEFS vs SHARKS
Nothing surprising about this result.
Ben Tameifuna provided the Chiefs with crucial stability in the front row. Liam Messam was epic amongst the loose forwards. The backs provided the usual skills s-o-o-o lacking in SA rugby and the rest is history.
A Stormers/Chiefs final at Newlands would probably have produced a closer contest but I suspect the Chiefs might have prevailed even if they had needed to travel.
Very deserved winners.
Nothing surprising about this result.
Ben Tameifuna provided the Chiefs with crucial stability in the front row. Liam Messam was epic amongst the loose forwards. The backs provided the usual skills s-o-o-o lacking in SA rugby and the rest is history.
A Stormers/Chiefs final at Newlands would probably have produced a closer contest but I suspect the Chiefs might have prevailed even if they had needed to travel.
Very deserved winners.
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Re: Re: SUPER 15 - WEEK BY WEEK
12 years 10 months ago
Where all the big mouth KZN boys, your team got a thumping....
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Re: Re: SUPER 15 - WEEK BY WEEK
12 years 10 months ago
They deserved to win although I think a couple of yellow cards for high tackles, obstruction etc would not have been out of place. Good luck to them though.
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