Agra/Franny/Valdivia

ShezaPunter Wrote:

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> Let's go with the exacta as well Peekay

Wait and see what plans De Kock has with The Apache....

Homer Wrote:

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> There are better 2yo's in hiding - watch!


You Sir are quite correct!

hibernia Wrote:

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> Well i might be getting carried away but i think
> we have a great crop of 2yo fillies?
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> Franny Ruffian Stakes
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> Agra winning her listed race
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> Valdivia winning on Debut
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> 2 have Listed form and the other was super
> impressive looking..
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> Allan Robertson looks a race to look forward to
> although Hotline hinted Agra might not run again
> for a while for some reason?
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> so maybe we can include her stable mate The Black
> Rose although Agra is supposed to be superior to
> her - winning her 2nd race


Black rose runs in PE on Friday. Listed Nursery

Look what Straight Set just done,Franny shoots to the top.....

Agra chipped a bone, had surgery and is out for several months. Hope to get her ready for the Guineas.

Magic, you are wrong in your assessment about the relative merits between The Black Rose and Agra.

I like you and respect you, but you are a journalist and you have every right to phone Justin Snaith in such matters and ask him for his opinion. Then you don't have to guess!

BI

All the best with Agra

Barry Irwin Wrote:

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> Agra chipped a bone, had surgery and is out for
> several months. Hope to get her ready for the
> Guineas.
>
> Magic, you are wrong in your assessment about the
> relative merits between The Black Rose and Agra.
>
> I like you and respect you, but you are a
> journalist and you have every right to phone
> Justin Snaith in such matters and ask him for his
> opinion. Then you don't have to guess!
>
> BI

I'm not geussing. I'm using Captain Dino as a line horse as he ran against them both and got a couple of lengths closer to The Black Rose than he did to Agra over the same course and distance. Whether that assessment will stand up only time will tell, but that's what handicapping is about. Exposed form, exposed form, and exposed form. Not trainer's opinions, not betting moves, and sure as hell not raw unadjusted times on different days (and even on different courses, which some people try to use).

I like to "handicap" horses for my own purposes and much prefer an objective approach.

When looking at exposed form, I agree we are not 'guessing' - however we 'assume' that Captain Dino ran the same sort of race each time - I would suggest that a trainer's opinion (especially in the case of juveniles who probably has worked alongside each other - not that 'work form' is the be all and end all either, but at least it gives another 'pointer') does hold at least the same value as our 'assumptions'?

magic...thats why u r the best....u do your homework

There is another good two-year-old filly down here in KZN, Counter Ridge, who runs in a Non-Black type feature at Clairwood on Sunday. She beat a hot field of maiden juveniles on debut.

As a handicapper, I would not factor in the trainer's opinion. Horses can only be rated according to what they achieve in races, and it is well known that what they show at home is not always the same thing at all. There is always a degree of subjectivity in these things and of course my rating is based on Captain Dino having run the same race twice. I have to go on something, and Captain Dino appears to be consistent, but you may have a different take on the form. Nobody can predict the future, but in a match between the two Snaith fillies at level weights over 1000m I'd go with Agra. If she got her head kicked in, I'd review my ratings.

Tipster Wrote:

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> There is another good two-year-old filly down here
> in KZN, Counter Ridge, who runs in a Non-Black
> type feature at Clairwood on Sunday. She beat a
> hot field of maiden juveniles on debut.


she wouldnt wipe the bums of those above mentioned...tipster u shd get yr beloved natal horses to run with black skullcaps and the jocks to wear black and white underods