SA racing in a ( nuts)hell

A horse will show you when it is ready and if he is very quick maybe they are aiming him at some of the Natal features. The horse does not know how he is bred. If he is ready and wants to run why stop him. Unless we are in the yard we do nt know so we can only guess.

Craig

Just looked on formgrids.

You have a horse in your care called Bolchevik.

Please xplain to me the need/desire/sheepmentality/logic to run it over 1200m on debut and then 1400m 2nd time out when NOT once since has that horse campaigned over those distances?

Are those 2 races educational runs (i accept that) or are they actually a waste of time (my thinking). Surely an educational run could have been its 3rd start over the correct distance? This is no champion BUT this is a pretty consistent horse over distances of > than 1800m

craig 100% if we not in the yard we can only guess BUT horses DONT ready themselves. So if there is a NATAL campaign planned

WHAT IS WRONG WITH IT MAKING ITS DEBUT IN A GROUP 3 OVER 1600M?

If it has the ability it will win. I hear that this is a decent sort, for me this race is a race that shows nothing , proves nothing and carries risk for no benefit.

Easy, perhaps they know it's ganna win and they are giving the owners a chance to get some money back that they spent to buy the horse

Easy, I am talking about the Gold Medallion over 1200m.If he is quick it would be the right race. Bolshevik was not with me for those early runs. I got him after his break.

He is Jackson's half brother, iot Jackson's clone. For all we know he may be the fastest thing on four legs. Al Nitak and The Sheik were full (let alone half) brothers. One was an ace sprinter, one won the Cape Derby.

What on earth is this rant all about, anyway?

It does seem a trend with SA trainers to give horses educational runs over distances short of what they bred for...in my limited experience of UK racing, they seem to do it differently, run the horse over the distance it is bred for, Sir Henry Cecil (and others) is a master at this, plenty times his debutantes come out over 9/10 furlongs and win....(tu) ...

So my question is why do SA trainers have to give a horse educational runs / need the experience, why not do that at home and bring horses out to win?

I'm no expert, but I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that English training methods tend to involve plenty of grass work over a fair distance, while by and large most SA training seems to be of the shorter burst (often on sand or other non-grass surfaces) variety. But Craig etc. would know a heck of a lot more about this than I do.

And who says the horse that started this whole debate isn't a freaking sprinter anyway??

I think some posters write just to get a reaction and not because they actually believe it.

At risk here is getting lumped with a fat MR :X ...

magiclips Wrote:

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> I'm no expert, but I think a lot of it has to do
> with the fact that English training methods tend
> to involve plenty of grass work over a fair
> distance, while by and large most SA training
> seems to be of the shorter burst (often on sand or
> other non-grass surfaces) variety. But Craig etc.
> would know a heck of a lot more about this than I
> do.
>
> And who says the horse that started this whole
> debate isn't a freaking sprinter anyway??

Thanks Magic, that makes sense...(tu)

I have no idea on the actual topic, just wanted to know about horses debuting over distance ...

Maybe someone should phone and ask Zaki....??

Magi Wrote:

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> At risk here is getting lumped with a fat MR :X
> ...

Which is a) misunderstood and b) irrelevant if he's up to Graded Stakes class, because if he is what bloody handicap would they be running him in?