Strike Two for Tarry

.....I was then brought up spoiled..... as we (the family) had a spacious 9 acre estate in Newmarket Alberton half of which was an open field for letting horses loose.....8 paddocks only 4 fenced.... one unfenced with a sand pit an additional sandpit in the middle of the open field .....2 acres of lucerne..... an oat silo and a loft above the feed room which fed freshly rolled oats into bins below in the feed room also had a carrot and lucern shaver.....in the mid 70's Epol had only just started making steam extruded cubes and only half the horses took to them.... the balance were fed with hand made horse rations.....I guess times have changed and horses are severly stressed and need constant medication......

Thanks RC for the insight(tu)

Thanks MhTman, put things in perspective & being logical with your response. Us ppl's do n't k now half these things u talk of, again my sincere thanks(tu)

Ps. Only posted because Scotia made mention of our silence earlier today><

Yes the bigger picture....I am not totally oblivious to the conditions that most are training under with the disappearing race courses and stabling facilities horses are being forced into smaller spaces in addition they rushed from where they are born to earlier sales and they are becoming more and more stressed and hence vets are making a killing......I am still of the opinion that it is the medications and the over use of medication that is causing bigger problems with the modern race horse.....there are also more holistic natural remedies to help horses cope with allergies that are stress related and even deal with stress directly....

Muhtiman Wrote:

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> Yes the bigger picture....I am not totally
> oblivious to the conditions that most are training
> under with the disappearing race courses and
> stabling facilities horses are being forced into
> smaller spaces in addition they rushed from
> where they are born to earlier sales and they are
> becoming more and more stressed and hence vets are
> making a killing......I am still of the opinion
> that it is the medications and the over use of
> medication that is causing bigger problems with
> the modern race horse.....there are also more
> holistic natural remedies to help horses cope with
> allergies that are stress related and even deal
> with stress directly....

Muhti - Ruby - Do any of you know anything about Meds in Hong Kong - horses are pretty confined there I believe so I was wondering if they also get so many infections? I'm against long-term steroid (miss) use as I've seen what it can do.

fark me, yhis thread should be titled 'Ask the Doctor' :

Telephone conversation: "Hi Mr Owner, it's Mr Trainer here. I'm sorry, but I have a bit of bad news for you. We are going to have to scratch your filly this Saturday. Well you see, she choked up in the pull up after her sprint this morning. Yes, that's as a result of her intermittent DDSP, which we diagnosed with the very expensive overland scope. No, she's not sick at all. It's normally as a result of some inflammation in the airways. Yes we used the tongue tie. Well I've decided to put her into the paddock for a few days, to see if it clears up. Yes I know we finally had a good draw here, and that the next 1400m Novice fillies is only in another 6 weeks. No it's not the Vaal straight that one, it's around the turn. Yes, I realise it's not ideal, she's much better up the straight. Yes, yes, I'm well aware of how much the training fees are. But look, I've saved you a couple of hundred on a cortisone injection, and it's the *right* thing to do. It may take a week or two to clear up, and then we can bring her back into light work. Oh she will need the run again next time."

....Mr H I know nothing about the conditions in Hong Kong but If one has to study a decent model
of modern racing it would be Singapore... well planned clean hygienic and no tolerance to medication

Muhtiman Wrote:

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> ....Mr H I know nothing about the conditions in
> Hong Kong but If one has to study a decent model
> of modern racing it would be Singapore... well
> planned clean hygienic and no tolerance to
> medication


From what i've seen I concur - It is almost time to fly Debbie back and ask her to implement some of the Singapore systems here!!

rubyclipper Wrote:

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> Telephone conversation: "Hi Mr Owner, it's Mr
> Trainer here. I'm sorry, but I have a bit of bad
> news for you. We are going to have to scratch your
> filly this Saturday. Well you see, she choked up
> in the pull up after her sprint this morning. Yes,
> that's as a result of her intermittent DDSP, which
> we diagnosed with the very expensive overland
> scope. No, she's not sick at all. It's normally as
> a result of some inflammation in the airways. Yes
> we used the tongue tie. Well I've decided to put
> her into the paddock for a few days, to see if it
> clears up. Yes I know we finally had a good draw
> here, and that the next 1400m Novice fillies is
> only in another 6 weeks. No it's not the Vaal
> straight that one, it's around the turn. Yes, I
> realise it's not ideal, she's much better up the
> straight. Yes, yes, I'm well aware of how much the
> training fees are. But look, I've saved you a
> couple of hundred on a cortisone injection, and
> it's the *right* thing to do. It may take a week
> or two to clear up, and then we can bring her back
> into light work. Oh she will need the run again
> next time."

Ruby not to take the piss out you as your contribution is really spot on.....but when trainers become that transparent.... a second call to the owner may go like this.... Hello Mr owner I reconsidered running your filly as I have a quick fix...a simple shot to clear up the snot but put your head down she gonna run a big one.....we may lose the stake check in 6 months time and put enough down so we can pay the fine.....it will only be my 2nd strike but I really need your patronage....

Yes Muhti you are pioneering in your thinking - there has never been a horseman/ vet/ researcher/ trainer/ owner/ pony rider/ drug company who has ever thought of all your arguments against the use of cortico-steroids and SAIDs (which have absolutely *nothing* to do Anabolic Steroids bar having the same atomic ring structure, and should NOT be confused.) And yet costisone remains the most prescribed drug on the planet for all species... And they are used in every racing jurisdiction in the world. Occasionally people miscalculate the withdrawal, and so there will be positives. This does not suggest abuse of misuse. Whether you like it or not, they are being used, and will continually be used in ALL athletes, humans, horses, dogs, pigeons etc. And on this subject, I am over and out.

Ruby...ruby...ruby.....please don't go..... this is getting interesting.....what you are confirming .....is like everthing else on the planet we are becoming slaves to the almighty pharmacutical giants.....and no I am not confusing anabolic steriods with cortico-steriods which is giving root and agravating another major problem which is stomach ulcers.....sales of ranitidine(zantac) have increases six fold to the horse racing industry and according to a 2006 USA study 60% of race horses are now prone to stomach ulcers....the pharmcutical companies and their sales channels pharmacies, vets, doctors just enjoy to have their little pills become known as the largest prescribed medication on the planet.....:S