isidingo and horse racing

Titch, Racing has never and will never be squeaky clean - the addict in us sees past this just as a battered woman forgives her husband. I cannot stand this Isidingo yet a great deal of people put off their phones etc just to watch it and feed their specific addiction. Part of the attraction of Racing for many people is the "unknown forces at play". Having been on the inside I know how difficult it is to get a horse to win so much of the crooked behavior is just fantasy but it's that aspect that adds to the product.

Titch,if you have been as close to racing as you profess,then you are not been truthful............either that or you were never trusted!

I have been racing for 40+ years............forget about the rides I find suspicious ,the form I think may be a set up etc etc .........
I KNOW of a number of a number of manipulations over the years..........and I would be surprised if you don't too!

How do I know ............well the same reason so many scams unfold.............most people who pull off a really clever job,are not satisfied with the spoils.......they need the accolades..........They need that "whos a clever boy then" badge

One of the more recent ,involves a regular face on Tellytrack(not an employee) who organised 2 easy runs for a horse (the jockey was suspended for one of the rides) the horse was then backed off the boards 3rd time out and won with ease..................how do I know .....................he told the story.
It was cleverly done as the first 2 runs were on sand and the coup on grass................even the improvement could be explained.
So nobody need try and inhibit me with being a "conspiracy theorist" I can keep you busy for quite a few hours telling you about conspiracies that I know/ knew about............from the horses mouth and some before the event!!!
What I will agree with, is that most of the suggested skulduggery on the site is way wide of the mark and more suited to Dick Francis novels.
For instance,only a fool would dope up a horse and risk a licence/career when a simple legal manipulation of MR would achieve the same result ,without risk.
Whilst even strong and diligent regulation will never completely eradicate manipulation, the present level of enforcement leaves a lot to be desired.

rob faux Wrote:

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> Titch,if you have been as close to racing as you
> profess,then you are not been
> truthful............either that or you were never
> trusted!
>
> I have been racing for 40+ years............forget
> about the rides I find suspicious ,the form I
> think may be a set up etc etc .........
> I KNOW of a number of a number of manipulations
> over the years..........and I would be surprised
> if you don't too!
>
> How do I know ............well the same reason so
> many scams unfold.............most people who pull
> off a really clever job,are not satisfied with the
> spoils.......they need the accolades..........They
> need that "whos a clever boy then" badge
>
> One of the more recent ,involves a regular face on
> Tellytrack(not an employee) who organised 2 easy
> runs for a horse (the jockey was suspended for one
> of the rides) the horse was then backed off the
> boards 3rd time out and won with
> ease..................how do I know
> .....................he told the story.
> It was cleverly done as the first 2 runs were on
> sand and the coup on grass................even the
> improvement could be explained.
> So nobody need try and inhibit me with being a
> "conspiracy theorist" I can keep you busy for
> quite a few hours telling you about conspiracies
> that I know/ knew about............from the horses
> mouth and some before the event!!!
> What I will agree with, is that most of the
> suggested skulduggery on the site is way wide of
> the mark and more suited to Dick Francis novels.
> For instance,only a fool would dope up a horse and
> risk a licence/career when a simple legal
> manipulation of MR would achieve the same result
> ,without risk.
> Whilst even strong and diligent regulation will
> never completely eradicate manipulation, the
> present level of enforcement leaves a lot to be
> desired.

(tu)Totally agree

@ rob

you spot on and so are many others.

BUT

I recently aquired a horse. It was bought from a trainer and moved to another trainer BUT i asked the "previous" trainer to as part of the move nominate it so that i could see some things for myself. Now the horse was nominated and on the day of the race i am told by the "old " trainer that the horse had not eaten 2 days in a row (4 days ago) (hope that makes sense) I had the choice to run the horse or not and chose to run it as i felt that it could do with a few points being deducted off its MR

Is that crookery?
should the Public have been informed?

Guys its normally 'fly by nite' patrons that have a lot of BS to say.
They may try and tarnish the image of the game but its people like us who love the sport will always cum back for more, addicts or not.

There is probably a lot more skulduggery going on in Soccer and Cricket than in horse racing and it would seem judging by continuous reports a lot more doping in a sport like cycling and yet by and large these sports are not looked upon in the same light as horse racing is when it comes to "result fixing" the reason IMO is quite simply that when a Man U is beaten by a Southampton or India is beaten by Ireland they dont have people within the sport or fans jumping up and down claiming the match was fixed or the ref was bought and when cases like the Armstrong or Hansie or Pakistan fiasco are made public there is invariably a shock response whereas any horse racing scandal is usually met with "its horse racing what do you expect" attitude,
Rob I too have been involved in the industry since the late 60's and have heard many after result merchants describe how they have pulled off betting coups through some deviate ploy or another and although i would agree that there is no doubt some factual accounts, its neither a case of me being dishonest or not being trusted but more to the point I believe the majority of the stories to be BS...
When one considers that we race 364 days a year or around 350 if weather disruptions are taken into account and average 9 races a card and sometimes have 3 local meetings on the same day the amount of skulduggery is miniscule at best and grossly over stated at worst, my take on it is that there can be no doubting that there is some "fixing" that takes place within horse racing but only a nutter would believe that this should be deemed a cancer when in fact by definition it's just a cold...

:(I'm with u 100 percent Titch

titch when last we have 3 local meeting on one day? you talking history now <

>Flash Harry Wrote:

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> titch when last we have 3 local meeting on one
> day? you talking history now <

Maybe borrowdale included Lol

Turffontein day Greyville Night and Ngong

rob faux Wrote:

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> Titch,if you have been as close to racing as you
> profess,then you are not been
> truthful............either that or you were never
> trusted!
>
> I have been racing for 40+ years............forget
> about the rides I find suspicious ,the form I
> think may be a set up etc etc .........
> I KNOW of a number of a number of manipulations
> over the years..........and I would be surprised
> if you don't too!
>
> How do I know ............well the same reason so
> many scams unfold.............most people who pull
> off a really clever job,are not satisfied with the
> spoils.......they need the accolades..........They
> need that "whos a clever boy then" badge
>
> One of the more recent ,involves a regular face on
> Tellytrack(not an employee) who organised 2 easy
> runs for a horse (the jockey was suspended for one
> of the rides) the horse was then backed off the
> boards 3rd time out and won with
> ease..................how do I know
> .....................he told the story.
> It was cleverly done as the first 2 runs were on
> sand and the coup on grass................even the
> improvement could be explained.
> So nobody need try and inhibit me with being a
> "conspiracy theorist" I can keep you busy for
> quite a few hours telling you about conspiracies
> that I know/ knew about............from the horses
> mouth and some before the event!!!
> What I will agree with, is that most of the
> suggested skulduggery on the site is way wide of
> the mark and more suited to Dick Francis novels.
> For instance,only a fool would dope up a horse and
> risk a licence/career when a simple legal
> manipulation of MR would achieve the same result
> ,without risk.
> Whilst even strong and diligent regulation will
> never completely eradicate manipulation, the
> present level of enforcement leaves a lot to be
> desired.

Rob spot on bud (tu)(tu)

Image is everything these days ... I can see what Titch means. Once people have a bad image of you it's unshakeable. First impressions last a lifetime, and all that ... even the politicians are into "Image". Or should I say, "Politicians are into 'Image' without shame" ... because people generally don't have the time or tools to use their reason.

In law it's the accuser that must prove his case. In social life it's the accused that must prove his innocence ... which is impossible to do with something as big and vague as an accusation that racing is corrupt. How do you even start? The accuser gets away scot-free for a false accusation, but the accused always has some mud sticking to him somewhere, it doesn't matter how innocent he is.

For those of you who are religious, here's a thought for the day: Exodus 20:16, "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour". Worth thinking about in this context.