isidingo and horse racing

With so many options to bet on, casinos, sport, lotto etc why is it that despite the general consensus that we are not playing on a level playing field when we invest our money on the horses do we continue to do so? imo the answer to that is that we dont really accept that it is as rife as some will have us believe and that includes even those who spread the word of doom and gloom coz ironically i notice that the majority of the "doomsayers" are articulate and intelligent people (with the odd exception) who would be long gone if they honestly believed that it is as bad as they will have others believe..

On a lighter note i believe that formgrids got a mention

TO all the guys who believe in "grafts"...a simple question:
HOW EASY IS IT TO FIX A RACE?

THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE:

i get tips everyday....and i question myself as to how certain can this tip be,because there are so many other variables in a race that need to be taken into account in a race,before my TIP arrives.

a jockey or trainer may say to me that the work has been excellent...what if i am taking on another horse in the race which was also showing good work and i am not aware of it...ala NOMENCLATURE and the VAR horse of Paddocks which i heard after the race was beating 3and 4 time winners in his yard..and i did my money

then i blow my top out how crooked horse racing is because my Tip got beat...Personally i think lot of jocks and trainers take chances in tipping....

Even if coups were pulled off...i still think they were at risk of losing because so many things still has to go your way before u land in that winners box.

FOR me...race fixing is a race...where every jock in that race knows whats going on and the winner is predetermined before the race.....even if in a field of 5 ,if 1 jock is not in the play there is risk..

now how many races has this been done in over the years?

Racing guru

Not if the other 4 have let him win ?

just to add...that spot fixing info that the pakis gave that punter..was info. of the highest order....down to which ball in which over will be a wide or no-ball....thats info. in my book...and cricket test a few years ago where the umpire gave 9 lbw decisions in a single innings where ,even if u pitched the ball outside leg it was given out...and a million dollars was bet in that match in favour of the home side..or did i forget to mention that that was 9 lbw's all from one end...and then the italian fiasco in soccer where ref's were bribed into influencing results....but yet we would still take our kids to these matches and tell them its ok

easy Wrote:

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> Racing guru
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> Not if the other 4 have let him win ?


good point...saved on 1 less person to pay....and what if he didn't want to win....wonder if that race would ever see a conclusion...lol

Racing Guru,it is why I say that any manipulation is not arranged as most think................very few arrange winners.
It takes 1 or 2 persons for a horse to run below its best and a whole gang to arrange a "oner",so those are rare.
Horses with advantages can be arranged by MR manipulation but a lot of those fail as it takes patience and discipline which we know is a rarity.
I am not suggestiong that racing is riddled with corruption but to suggest that it doesn't exist is naive ,to say the least.
Whenever a lot of money is available ,there will be somebody trying to "arrange" some,particularly when the consequences are non-existent.

rob faux Wrote:

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> Racing Guru,it is why I say that any manipulation
> is not arranged as most think................very
> few arrange winners.
> It takes 1 or 2 persons for a horse to run below
> its best and a whole gang to arrange a "oner",so
> those are rare.
> Horses with advantages can be arranged by MR
> manipulation but a lot of those fail as it takes
> patience and discipline which we know is a
> rarity.
> I am not suggestiong that racing is riddled with
> corruption but to suggest that it doesn't exist is
> naive ,to say the least.
> Whenever a lot of money is available ,there will
> be somebody trying to "arrange" some,particularly
> when the consequences are non-existent.


i agree rob...manipulation is inevitable where money is concerned...but that happens even in business and insider trading on stocks..where certain ppl have quarterly results before they are made public....so sooner we realise that its not just a racing epidemic,the better it is for racing....how's this for irony...

my wife detests horseracing..and punting...but yesterday we were at the cricket and here i am having bets after bets on the cricket on my phone with interbet,because they were betting in running....and she was cool with it...and here we were all enjoying the game....yet had it been horseracing ,she would have told me to shut the phone off....now thats the perception horse racing has..........now i for 1 wasn't going to tell her that there is more chance of the match that we are watching being more rigged than horseracing..otherwise i would have no peace in backing anything.....so i smile and just wonder..where did it all start...the perception of horse racing

racing guru

its started with urban legend and stories with characters like

handbrake van wyk

and hou vas van as

and beat the handicapper mike riley

and the "ringer" incident at Newmarket

and Des Renou the shrewdie

and the scenes at Gosforth Park when racing was cancelled

and Barney Curley

and "The Druis Lodge Confederacy"

yes races are fixed and i know of a case involving most our top jocks a few yrs ago.stipes found out and 1 of our best jocks still riding,who was on fav turned states evidence against other jocks.my friend who is a jock got 6months,but the problem is the whole matter was swept under the rug and my friend was told he has a back injury and could return in 6months time.my problem is the public were not told of the race fix and they did there money in cold blood with fav running a good 2nd and the winner with another top jock was 20/1.lol.the 2 jocks who masterminded this coup had all the jocks from other provinces in on the fix and they got the suspensions,but werent worried coz they made a killing.i hv the names and the race and it was on a big race day.

now my problem is that the stipes did there job and found out abt the fix but then chose to hide it from the public in the interests of the integrity of the sport.if the image of racing is to be improved then we need better policing and more stringent drug tests done.thats just my opinion and if that is done then maybe the image will improve.

Winzip if you are so sure that this is the truth why do you choose to not name and shame the jocks concerned...you are in fact doing exactly what you are accusing the stipes of doing???? Unless you are referring to the Greg Cheyne/Freddy Mac case when Fred was shot at and assualted for REFUSING to be a part of it that story in fact got more airtime than Isidingo???

Wizip I take it from your silence you were referring to the Greg Cheyne/Freddy Mac case..the reason I wasn't sure is because your statement is so far from the truth that it confused me...the truth of the matter is that Greg Cheyne in fact got 2 years of which 18 months was suspended, Brandon Morgenrood was given life (reversed on appeal) and a owner who will remain nameless was warned off for life, there was never any out of province jocks involved and they were certainly not considered the "county's top jockeys" ...
this case was made very public by both the racing authority and the Hawks who got involved after an attempt was made on Freddy's life due to his non compliance,(something that conveniently slipped your mind :S) your statement is exactly the kind of misleading drivel that I referred to in an earlier post, if you told your version to anyone outside of racing and chose to validate it by stating that Greg is a mate of yours racing will have been dealt yet another below the belt punch ...the sad thing is you are not alone in this mindless banter and disinformation bollocks...