isidingo and horse racing

sorry titch i was busy.no not case at all.i can name the jocks,the winner of the race,the article in paper and the day.i however do not choose to do so because it serves no purpose and i dont want to harm certain jocks reputations because i know they r so highly regarded by most on this forum.im sure if they read this forum they know who they are and wat they did.i can add that the jock involved in setting up this race got his 6months but the public was misinformed as to the reason why he was out of racing and only due back in 6months time, claiming a back injury.this actually happened and might be an isolated incident, but i know the truth and jocks involved know the truth.

wat i will do is gv u a clue and tell u it was on a met day,(tempted to tell you name of horse) many many yrs ago and no need to bring that up now.
you missing my point which is that in order for racing to clean up its image to the masses it needs to be better policed.

Isidingo had great gate speed and early pace. 55 runs for 6 wins, every single race except his first ( 900m) was over the 1000m.

winzip Wrote:

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> sorry titch i was busy.no not case at all.i can
> name the jocks,the winner of the race,the article
> in paper and the day.i however do not choose to do
> so because it serves no purpose and i dont want to
> harm certain jocks reputations because i know they
> r so highly regarded by most on this forum.im sure
> if they read this forum they know who they are and
> wat they did.i can add that the jock involved in
> setting up this race got his 6months but the
> public was misinformed as to the reason why he was
> out of racing and only due back in 6months time,
> claiming a back injury.this actually happened and
> might be an isolated incident, but i know the
> truth and jocks involved know the truth.
>
> wat i will do is gv u a clue and tell u it was on
> a met day,(tempted to tell you name of horse) many
> many yrs ago and no need to bring that up now.
> you missing my point which is that in order for
> racing to clean up its image to the masses it
> needs to be better policed.

in a nutshell winzip.....bollocks your story is full of holes matey, first off how can a HUGE coup be pulled off and the horse starts 20/1 and "with another top jock riding" nogal...pull the other one its got bells

So Titch,you think the need for better policing is bollocks..................in spite of the fact that every study relating to racings image,worldwide, regards customer trust as absolutely vital !

Oliver dumped from Cox Plate favourite Moon

BY AAP RACING/MIKE HEDGE 11:04AM 14 OCT 2012

Australia: Jockey Damien Oliver has been dumped from Cox Plate second favourite Green Moon on a day of controversy and sensation that has clouded Melbourne's spring carnival.

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Owner Lloyd Williams replaced Oliver with Craig Williams who sacked himself from the favourite Pierro.
In a switch that has added to questions surrounding the beaten Caulfield Guineas favourite, Williams claimed the Green Moon ride on a day when newspaper reports claimed Oliver bet Aus$10,000 (£6,400) on a rival horse in a race in which he was riding.

The other horse, Miss Octopussy, won the race run at Moonee Valley in October 2010.

The allegation aired in Fairfax newspapers on Sunday stems from police inquiries into race fixing that have so far implicated several jockeys, including the recently disqualified Danny Nikolic.

Oliver has denied the allegations, declaring them "damaging and hurtful".

"I have been a jockey for 24 years," Oliver said in a statement. "My record and reputation show me to be honest, committed and trustworthy."


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The race in question is also being investigated by racing stewards who have declined to comment.

Green Moon's owner Lloyd Williams had only announced Oliver as Green Moon's rider on Saturday.

Less than 24 hours later he announced in an text message Oliver was off the horse and that he was open to offers. Soon afterwards he named the new rider.

The owners of My Quest For Peace, who will be running in the Caulfield Cup for Luca Cumani, have also taken Oliver off their runner.

Owners OTI Racing tweeted: "Corey Brown will ride My Quest For Peace in next Saturday's Caulfield Cup."

The riding change has cast doubts over the immediate future of Pierro whose eight-win streak ended so dramatically at Caulfield.

His trainer Gai Waterhouse gave an assurance after the Guineas that Pierro would still run in Saturday week's Cox Plate, but a change of heart wouldn't surprise as his defeat by All Too Hard is analysed.

Williams' defection also means Waterhouse must now find two jockeys light enough to ride Pierro and stablemate Proisir who both have 49.5kg in the Cox Plate.

Pierro's Cox Plate stocks suffered a heavy blow as a result of his Guineas run, bookmakers turning him out from Aus$1.85 to Aus$2.70 after the race with his odds being further extended to Aus$2.90 on Sunday.

Most firms have Green Moon on the second line of betting at Aus$6, with Caulfield Stakes winner Ocean Park at Aus$6.50 and All Too Hard at Aus$7.

Titch,just one example of how you pull off a coup at 20/1...........(especially as this appears to have happened sometime ago)....................................a modest bet at SP in every small tattersalls around the country would do it!

rob faux Wrote:

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> So Titch,you think the need for better policing is
> bollocks..................in spite of the fact
> that every study relating to racings
> image,worldwide, regards customer trust as
> absolutely vital !

rob imo there can NEVER be enough policing in any sport that is responsible for the amounts of money that change hands as in racing by punters who deserve to be comfortable that it is run completely on merits, what I do find repulsive however are the dream merchants that make up stories of "oners" et al to suit their own agenda with absolutely no regard for the damage their BS stories can cause and then try to justify it by stating the obvious regarding the need for more/better policing,

titch you seem to be a know it all merchant so i will tell you the horse was jewel of asia(7yrs old at the time) and it opened @20/1 the race b4 the met.top kzn jock was on top and top jhb jock was on fav.
stipes questioned jock on fav of his ride and after further investigation they found suspicious betting patterns on the race.i dont want to mention names,but the jock of fav gave evidence that he was asked thurs b4 race to hook the fav,but claimed he didnt and he gave up the cape jock who contacted him.
this cape jock then got found guilty,admitted to his crime but was given 6months off and it was reported he was off due to a back injury in the argus.case was never brought to public attention.handled in house.yes i was told by jock who got 6months off.i hv no hidden agendas and play horses for fun.

i know you think everything is above board in racing but believe me they are not.you can check this story and ask some of the jocks u know who were riding at the time.

wizzzzzzzzzzzzzzip if the horse opened 20/1 as you state in your last post and started 20/1 as you stated in your first post where was the irregular betting patterns you speak of?? and would it be fair to assume that trainer Piet Steyn would be aware of this supposed "coup" on his horse..

Titch Wrote:

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> wizzzzzzzzzzzzzzip if the horse opened 20/1 as you
> state in your last post and started 20/1 as you
> stated in your first post where was the irregular
> betting patterns you speak of?? and would it be
> fair to assume that trainer Piet Steyn would be
> aware of this supposed "coup" on his horse..

Was Jewel of Asia not James Lightheart trainer ?

hope they don`t get material from abc ()

May have started with James but definitely ended up with Piet Steyn