Testing my structure -October month
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Re: Re: Testing my structure -October month
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Some time ago we had a thread with a couple of punters saying they would prove their profitability.................no one lasted more than a week and nobody was showing a profit at the time.
This thread appears to have stalled already..................talk is cheap - proof is rare!
This thread appears to have stalled already..................talk is cheap - proof is rare!
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Re: Re: Testing my structure -October month
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rob faux Wrote:
> Some time ago we had a thread with a couple of
> punters saying they would prove their
> profitability.................no one lasted more
> than a week and nobody was showing a profit at the
> time.
> This thread appears to have stalled
> already..................talk is cheap - proof is
> rare!
....but trying to sell CHEAP TALK is not so rare unfortunately Rob!!
> Some time ago we had a thread with a couple of
> punters saying they would prove their
> profitability.................no one lasted more
> than a week and nobody was showing a profit at the
> time.
> This thread appears to have stalled
> already..................talk is cheap - proof is
> rare!
....but trying to sell CHEAP TALK is not so rare unfortunately Rob!!
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Re: Re: Testing my structure -October month
12 years 7 months ago
1 rule and 1 rule ONLY to apply to ANY system.
If you cant return a profit to a level stake you will struggle to get a "system" to accomodate it within the boundaries of capital/bank and/or getting on.
If you cant return a profit to a level stake you will struggle to get a "system" to accomodate it within the boundaries of capital/bank and/or getting on.
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Re: Re: Testing my structure -October month
12 years 7 months ago
Thers only one system i follow...
When you have a 60ish rated horse who has been
A.Running the wrong distance.
B.Had previous problems.
C.Been gelded.
Then you work it with two 85-90 rated horses when your one has a clean bill of
health and it works brilliantly and knocks the other two out of the way..
Then you try and get as much on as possible at multiple bookmakers but not in
the morning.
You dont tell the jockey whats happening until he is in the parade ring,then you give
him an extra incentive.
Two years ago it was Hunter Forward at Cumanis...
This year and pretty soon it is xxxxxxxx at yyyyyyyyyy...
Will let you know nearer the time
When you have a 60ish rated horse who has been
A.Running the wrong distance.
B.Had previous problems.
C.Been gelded.
Then you work it with two 85-90 rated horses when your one has a clean bill of
health and it works brilliantly and knocks the other two out of the way..
Then you try and get as much on as possible at multiple bookmakers but not in
the morning.
You dont tell the jockey whats happening until he is in the parade ring,then you give
him an extra incentive.
Two years ago it was Hunter Forward at Cumanis...
This year and pretty soon it is xxxxxxxx at yyyyyyyyyy...
Will let you know nearer the time
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Re: Re: Testing my structure -October month
12 years 7 months ago
Update
Vaal Thursday
NONA IN COMMAND 3/1 0.72w/p 2nd
BODY SNATCHER 1.69 place unplaced
OPENING SALVO 14/1 2.94w/p unpaced
For the day - 11 ,1 units
MTD -11.1 units
PE Friday
NOMENCLATURE 14/10 win 4th...no win
ISLAND CHAMP 33/10 4/10 WON
RIGHTLY SO 11/2 0.72 unplaced
I GOT YOU BABE 10/1 15/10(4 PLACES) unplaced
KAHAL`S SECRET 7/1 1.12(4 PLACES) fell-unplaced
ADMIRAL JOHN PETER 6/1 0.96(4 PLACES) unplaced
SEDGE 8/10 WIN unplaced
For the day -120 units
MTD -131,1 units (this is what happen when I dont give 100% because I spend most of the time studying Saturdays cards)
Saturday Scottsvile(the only tips that wasnt posted here on ABC but can provide the prove if really needed)
OPEN THE BANK 6/1 0.84 w/p WON
ROYAL BASTIDE 16/1 3.52 w/p unplaced
BAY PRINCESS 15/10 win(best bet) WON
INJAAZAAT 4/1 0.88w/p unplaced
FELIX THE CAT 1/1 win unplaced
LOVE STRUCK 22/10 4/10w/p WON
QUINTELLA 7/1 1.19 w/p unplaced
BWANA MACUBE 5/1 23/20w/p WON
REGAL JOY 6/1 0.84w/p unplaced
ZEMFIRA 4/1 0.64w/p unplaced
For the day +22 units
MTD -109,1 units
Saturday Turfontein
ADAMS ROCK 8/1 8/10 WON
EMPYREAL SONG 7/1 8/10 3rd placed
CUFFLINKS 4/1 0.52 WON
SERISSA 9/2 0.68 WON
LOCKHEED JETSTAR 2/1 win unplaced
AGADEZ 7/1 1.12 unplaced
SILVER FLYER 8/1 11/10 4th placed
CHERRY ON THE TOP 7/1 1.12 unplaced
THE HANGMAN 2/1 win 2nd...no win
MANNEQUIN 10/1 15/10 unplaced
CLASSIC ILLUSION 7/1 1.68 WON
HERE COMES BILLY 6/1 0.86 3rd placed
For the day + 86 units
MTD -23.1 units
Monday Flambingo
ALWAYSAWINNER 7/2 0.81 w/p unplaced
CAPITAL GAIN 15/10 (1/5 place) win unplaced
HE WHO DARES 7/2 0.63 w/p 2nd placed
SWING AWAY 2/1 0.32 w/p 2nd placed
For the day - 8.4 units
MTD -31.5 units
Tuesday Vaal
SA Horse racing tips- Zietsman Oosthuizen
NOGAZI 10/1 24/10 w/p...unplaced 1 unit win and 3 unit place
DANISH BLUE 11/10 win ....unplaced 8 unit win
ANTIGUA 0.56 only places...3rd place 16 unit place
EXCEPTIONAL 33/10 6/10 w/p....unplaced 1 unit win and 3 unit place
DAWN LIGHT 6/1 15/10w/p....WON 2 unit win and 6 unit place
DONA DATIA 12/1 2.88 w/p.....unplaced 1 unit win and 3 unit place
DECAMERON 1.68 only places....WON 8 unit place
WALKING ONTHE MOON 18/10 win ....WON 4 unit win
For the day + 31,5 units
MTD 0 (all square ,loses made up after losing 120 units in PE )
Thinking of treating PE the same as unreliable Kenilworth ....lost more money their than won .....waste of time...lets see....
I will post my selections for the rest of the month on this thread ,easy to give update and stats
Vaal Thursday
NONA IN COMMAND 3/1 0.72w/p 2nd
BODY SNATCHER 1.69 place unplaced
OPENING SALVO 14/1 2.94w/p unpaced
For the day - 11 ,1 units
MTD -11.1 units
PE Friday
NOMENCLATURE 14/10 win 4th...no win
ISLAND CHAMP 33/10 4/10 WON
RIGHTLY SO 11/2 0.72 unplaced
I GOT YOU BABE 10/1 15/10(4 PLACES) unplaced
KAHAL`S SECRET 7/1 1.12(4 PLACES) fell-unplaced
ADMIRAL JOHN PETER 6/1 0.96(4 PLACES) unplaced
SEDGE 8/10 WIN unplaced
For the day -120 units
MTD -131,1 units (this is what happen when I dont give 100% because I spend most of the time studying Saturdays cards)
Saturday Scottsvile(the only tips that wasnt posted here on ABC but can provide the prove if really needed)
OPEN THE BANK 6/1 0.84 w/p WON
ROYAL BASTIDE 16/1 3.52 w/p unplaced
BAY PRINCESS 15/10 win(best bet) WON
INJAAZAAT 4/1 0.88w/p unplaced
FELIX THE CAT 1/1 win unplaced
LOVE STRUCK 22/10 4/10w/p WON
QUINTELLA 7/1 1.19 w/p unplaced
BWANA MACUBE 5/1 23/20w/p WON
REGAL JOY 6/1 0.84w/p unplaced
ZEMFIRA 4/1 0.64w/p unplaced
For the day +22 units
MTD -109,1 units
Saturday Turfontein
ADAMS ROCK 8/1 8/10 WON
EMPYREAL SONG 7/1 8/10 3rd placed
CUFFLINKS 4/1 0.52 WON
SERISSA 9/2 0.68 WON
LOCKHEED JETSTAR 2/1 win unplaced
AGADEZ 7/1 1.12 unplaced
SILVER FLYER 8/1 11/10 4th placed
CHERRY ON THE TOP 7/1 1.12 unplaced
THE HANGMAN 2/1 win 2nd...no win
MANNEQUIN 10/1 15/10 unplaced
CLASSIC ILLUSION 7/1 1.68 WON
HERE COMES BILLY 6/1 0.86 3rd placed
For the day + 86 units
MTD -23.1 units
Monday Flambingo
ALWAYSAWINNER 7/2 0.81 w/p unplaced
CAPITAL GAIN 15/10 (1/5 place) win unplaced
HE WHO DARES 7/2 0.63 w/p 2nd placed
SWING AWAY 2/1 0.32 w/p 2nd placed
For the day - 8.4 units
MTD -31.5 units
Tuesday Vaal
SA Horse racing tips- Zietsman Oosthuizen
NOGAZI 10/1 24/10 w/p...unplaced 1 unit win and 3 unit place
DANISH BLUE 11/10 win ....unplaced 8 unit win
ANTIGUA 0.56 only places...3rd place 16 unit place
EXCEPTIONAL 33/10 6/10 w/p....unplaced 1 unit win and 3 unit place
DAWN LIGHT 6/1 15/10w/p....WON 2 unit win and 6 unit place
DONA DATIA 12/1 2.88 w/p.....unplaced 1 unit win and 3 unit place
DECAMERON 1.68 only places....WON 8 unit place
WALKING ONTHE MOON 18/10 win ....WON 4 unit win
For the day + 31,5 units
MTD 0 (all square ,loses made up after losing 120 units in PE )
Thinking of treating PE the same as unreliable Kenilworth ....lost more money their than won .....waste of time...lets see....
I will post my selections for the rest of the month on this thread ,easy to give update and stats
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Re: Re: Testing my structure -October month
12 years 7 months ago
Flash Harry Wrote:
> ziets no one can take you serious unless you can
> show your bets be fore the race is run
what do you want me to show you ....every faarking ticket????dont get ridiculous ....i post my selections before the race and everyone knows how i play my structure....
> ziets no one can take you serious unless you can
> show your bets be fore the race is run
what do you want me to show you ....every faarking ticket????dont get ridiculous ....i post my selections before the race and everyone knows how i play my structure....
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Re: Re: Testing my structure -October month
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Flash Harry Wrote:
> what is farrrking ridiculous is your structure is
> not consistant and some times the unit on the
> winning horse is bigger than the losing horse. if
> you dont say be fore race this horse so much, that
> horse so much you can put any thing after wards.
> and that my friend is what harry suspect that you
> do. know it is up to you to prove me wrong
flash the structure is simple...for an ew bet its 1 unit win, 3 units place....if the horse places or wins then good...if it does not, then the next bet becomes 2 wins, 6 places....if that does not win, but his next selection is a straight win bet, there will be 16unit wins....and until he gets a winner, he doubles up and until he gets the winner goes back to 1 unit win/3 unit place...its just like in the casino when you playing roulette...if you play black and it comes up red, you double up next time on black, if it comes red again you double up again, until you finally win...the structure will, in theory always work, however, if you go one meeting where you dont find one winner or place horse, you will be in very very very big trouble...so you have to make sure you have the financial backing behind you first
> what is farrrking ridiculous is your structure is
> not consistant and some times the unit on the
> winning horse is bigger than the losing horse. if
> you dont say be fore race this horse so much, that
> horse so much you can put any thing after wards.
> and that my friend is what harry suspect that you
> do. know it is up to you to prove me wrong
flash the structure is simple...for an ew bet its 1 unit win, 3 units place....if the horse places or wins then good...if it does not, then the next bet becomes 2 wins, 6 places....if that does not win, but his next selection is a straight win bet, there will be 16unit wins....and until he gets a winner, he doubles up and until he gets the winner goes back to 1 unit win/3 unit place...its just like in the casino when you playing roulette...if you play black and it comes up red, you double up next time on black, if it comes red again you double up again, until you finally win...the structure will, in theory always work, however, if you go one meeting where you dont find one winner or place horse, you will be in very very very big trouble...so you have to make sure you have the financial backing behind you first
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Re: Re: Testing my structure -October month
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Bushy Wrote:
> Flash Harry Wrote:
>
>
> > what is farrrking ridiculous is your structure
> is
> > not consistant and some times the unit on the
> > winning horse is bigger than the losing horse.
> if
> > you dont say be fore race this horse so much,
> that
> > horse so much you can put any thing after
> wards.
> > and that my friend is what harry suspect that
> you
> > do. know it is up to you to prove me wrong
>
>
> flash the structure is simple...for an ew bet its
> 1 unit win, 3 units place....if the horse places
> or wins then good...if it does not, then the next
> bet becomes 2 wins, 6 places....if that does not
> win, but his next selection is a straight win bet,
> there will be 16unit wins....and until he gets a
> winner, he doubles up and until he gets the winner
> goes back to 1 unit win/3 unit place...its just
> like in the casino when you playing roulette...if
> you play black and it comes up red, you double up
> next time on black, if it comes red again you
> double up again, until you finally win...the
> structure will, in theory always work, however, if
> you go one meeting where you dont find one winner
> or place horse, you will be in very very very big
> trouble...so you have to make sure you have the
> financial backing behind you first
That's all well and good if you have a rather large bank,what happens if your a big punter and you go on a losing streak of say 1 day.
With the amount of races at one meeting and your initial stake is £50 win £150 place by the 8th race it would be £6400 win and £19200.
There isn't a bookie in the UK or probably the world that would take that bet for SA racing.
Your system is probably ok if your betting in very low stakes,for me to be accommodated in that 8th race scenario I would have to stake
£1 win and £3 place,hardly retirement funds
> Flash Harry Wrote:
>
>
> > what is farrrking ridiculous is your structure
> is
> > not consistant and some times the unit on the
> > winning horse is bigger than the losing horse.
> if
> > you dont say be fore race this horse so much,
> that
> > horse so much you can put any thing after
> wards.
> > and that my friend is what harry suspect that
> you
> > do. know it is up to you to prove me wrong
>
>
> flash the structure is simple...for an ew bet its
> 1 unit win, 3 units place....if the horse places
> or wins then good...if it does not, then the next
> bet becomes 2 wins, 6 places....if that does not
> win, but his next selection is a straight win bet,
> there will be 16unit wins....and until he gets a
> winner, he doubles up and until he gets the winner
> goes back to 1 unit win/3 unit place...its just
> like in the casino when you playing roulette...if
> you play black and it comes up red, you double up
> next time on black, if it comes red again you
> double up again, until you finally win...the
> structure will, in theory always work, however, if
> you go one meeting where you dont find one winner
> or place horse, you will be in very very very big
> trouble...so you have to make sure you have the
> financial backing behind you first
That's all well and good if you have a rather large bank,what happens if your a big punter and you go on a losing streak of say 1 day.
With the amount of races at one meeting and your initial stake is £50 win £150 place by the 8th race it would be £6400 win and £19200.
There isn't a bookie in the UK or probably the world that would take that bet for SA racing.
Your system is probably ok if your betting in very low stakes,for me to be accommodated in that 8th race scenario I would have to stake
£1 win and £3 place,hardly retirement funds
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Re: Re: Testing my structure -October month
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SA Horse racing tips- Zietsman Oosthuizen
Vaal Sand Thursday
PALACE TOWN 7/1 21/20 w/p (4 places)
ACROSS THE ICE 22/10 6/10 w/p (2places)
FESTIVE INTERLUDE 11/2 1.27 w/p
MARIA K 9/2 0.99 w/p
RUBIES FOR ROYALTY 7/1 1.61 w/p
JOLLY WOOD 5/1 15/20 w/p
DRAGON VEIN 13/10 win
RENEGADE 11/2 0.88 w/p
TWILIGHT ELVA 8/1 1.28 w/p (4 places)
the card is much more trickier than betting suggest
Vaal Sand Thursday
PALACE TOWN 7/1 21/20 w/p (4 places)
ACROSS THE ICE 22/10 6/10 w/p (2places)
FESTIVE INTERLUDE 11/2 1.27 w/p
MARIA K 9/2 0.99 w/p
RUBIES FOR ROYALTY 7/1 1.61 w/p
JOLLY WOOD 5/1 15/20 w/p
DRAGON VEIN 13/10 win
RENEGADE 11/2 0.88 w/p
TWILIGHT ELVA 8/1 1.28 w/p (4 places)
the card is much more trickier than betting suggest
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Re: Re: Testing my structure -October month
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Jockey combinations often work for me. For example take the top jockey for the specific track and take a EW on that Jock for each and every race perhaps R50.00 E/W, your layout is R800.00 for eight races, you collect a fair bet if he wins for both the win and place and still recover or make a small profit if he places in any other. Worked for me 85% of the time. My average return is about 70% so i'm collecting money most of the time. BTW Tote wins and Places.
This works for horse selections as well by choosing eight horses one in each or perhaps a lucky number, just depends on the day. All in all there is no method but I thought i'd share this.
This works for horse selections as well by choosing eight horses one in each or perhaps a lucky number, just depends on the day. All in all there is no method but I thought i'd share this.
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