Testing my structure -October month

Zietsman Oosthuizen Wrote:

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> SA Horse racing tips- Zietsman Oosthuizen
> Vaal Sand Thursday
> PALACE TOWN 7/1 21/20 w/p (4 places)
> ACROSS THE ICE 22/10 6/10 w/p (2places)
> FESTIVE INTERLUDE 11/2 1.27 w/p
> MARIA K 9/2 0.99 w/p
> RUBIES FOR ROYALTY 7/1 1.61 w/p
> JOLLY WOOD 5/1 15/20 w/p
> DRAGON VEIN 13/10 win
> RENEGADE 11/2 0.88 w/p
> TWILIGHT ELVA 8/1 1.28 w/p (4 places)
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> the card is much more trickier than betting
> suggest


Great start Ziets!

Ziets do you charge for your tips?

gregbucks Wrote:

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> Ziets do you charge for your tips?


Greg i never seen it with my own eyes,but a member told me he tried to charge(on facebook) R200 for his selections from saturdays flash comp,even though his selections were on abc and open to everyone.

hibernia Wrote:

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> gregbucks Wrote:
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> > Ziets do you charge for your tips?
>
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> Greg i never seen it with my own eyes,but a member
> told me he tried to charge(on facebook) R200 for
> his selections from saturdays flash comp,even
> though his selections were on abc and open to
> everyone.


Maybe he is skint...

This is the message he wrote on facebook,which was then deleted...



have no idea why no dahm booking want to lay my all to come for saturday ,turf and scott combine....14 horses,7 wins and 7 places and i only want to bet R5........dont they want my money????? odds 6million/5 and they dont even want my 1,2million/1 .....what is R1 between friends......hehehehehehehehe....they know by now i dont make a lot of money on big racedays.. ...naaaaaaah

Saturday is money
making day....hoooooohaaaaaaaa.......i cant wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wont it be just brilliant to hit them as hard as 7 july 2012!!!!!!!!!!!

I have spend 2 days already on Saturdays racecards.If you want my selections inbox me ,I am not making it public on Saturday because I will be participating in another tipping competition on another website(not facebook)where all participants have to pay an entrance fee. R200 will be the cost for my selections in all 22 races on Saturday and I will be at Turfontein .As soon as the money show in my account you will receive my selections, its worth more than the R9 per race if you as serious as I am ......inbox me
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Full of himself...()

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hibernia Wrote:

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> This is the message he wrote on facebook,which was
> then deleted...
>
>
>
> have no idea why no dahm booking want to lay my
> all to come for saturday ,turf and scott
> combine....14 horses,7 wins and 7 places and i
> only want to bet R5........dont they want my
> money????? odds 6million/5 and they dont even want
> my 1,2million/1 .....what is R1 between
> friends......hehehehehehehehe....they know by now
> i dont make a lot of money on big racedays..
> ...naaaaaaah
>
> Saturday is money
> making day....hoooooohaaaaaaaa.......i cant
> wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Wont it be just brilliant to hit them as hard as 7
> july 2012!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> I have spend 2 days already on Saturdays
> racecards.If you want my selections inbox me ,I am
> not making it public on Saturday because I will be
> participating in another tipping competition on
> another website(not facebook)where all
> participants have to pay an entrance fee. R200
> will be the cost for my selections in all 22 races
> on Saturday and I will be at Turfontein .As soon
> as the money show in my account you will receive
> my selections, its worth more than the R9 per race
> if you as serious as I am ......inbox me
> Like · · Share
>
> 4 people like this.
> View all 18 comments


Looking at he's picture on facebook maybe he needs the money for food,looks to have
an insatiable appetite. He might get a few takers on facebook or at the YMCA.But most
people on racing forums are pretty clued up about these chancers...
If he is that good he wouldnt need 200 rand..People like him who have employment
and then try to extract extra money from the easily led should not be given a voice on this site.Thats only
my opinion.

Its the same thing over and over....if you back yourself that much you shouldnt need anybody else's money. Same goes for small time traders, who always want other peoples money to invest. But if people are willing to pay then so be it.

If i had a systme i thought worked i would honestly share it for nothing. i dont want your money, i want the bookies money.

So whats the difference between Ziets and John Sweet :S

John Sweet regards himself as a form analyst so you rather pay a form analyst than a Tipster <

naresh Wrote:

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> So whats the difference between Ziets and John
> Sweet :S
>
> John Sweet regards himself as a form analyst so
> you rather pay a form analyst than a Tipster <


i would pay a form analyst....for me 2 cents is a form analyst...he breaks a race up ...for instance..collateral form on face value may give 1 horse an edge over another by just taking weights into consideration...a tipster sees this and disseminates it to me..a form analyst uses this info as just 1 part of the equation...he takes pace ,jockey,conditions on the day(headwind/tailwind,course variants,etc,etc)before making a decision.

1 example...if a horse is carrying 62kg in a 1000m sprint and the course was running exceptionally slow that day...and beats a horse by a length on the day ,the next time they meet ,the latter carries 2 kg less...in theory he should beat the horse that beat him earlier ,by a length this time...but it may not happen this time because because this time the course is running pretty quick and he may not have to carry his weight if he is a strong front runner...now this is what form analysts do...and even more...this is what sets 2 cents apart...he may never back every winner...but he will justify why i should have a bet ,all things taken into account....this can take an hour or 2 of studying race per race....now i will pay 2 cents for this work and effort..because i dont have the time to do it...and he will answer my reservations,if i have any,before putting my money down....3 weeks go he found this 7/1 shot in turfontein....the confidence he have us on this horse was phenominal...u would swear it was an odds on shot

RACING GURU Wrote:

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> naresh Wrote:
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> > So whats the difference between Ziets and John
> > Sweet :S
> >
> > John Sweet regards himself as a form analyst
> so
> > you rather pay a form analyst than a Tipster
> <
>
>
> i would pay a form analyst....for me 2 cents is a
> form analyst...he breaks a race up ...for
> instance..collateral form on face value may give 1
> horse an edge over another by just taking weights
> into consideration...a tipster sees this and
> disseminates it to me..a form analyst uses this
> info as just 1 part of the equation...he takes
> pace ,jockey,conditions on the
> day(headwind/tailwind,course
> variants,etc,etc)before making a decision.
>
> 1 example...if a horse is carrying 62kg in a 1000m
> sprint and the course was running exceptionally
> slow that day...and beats a horse by a length on
> the day ,the next time they meet ,the latter
> carries 2 kg less...in theory he should beat the
> horse that beat him earlier ,by a length this
> time...but it may not happen this time because
> because this time the course is running pretty
> quick and he may not have to carry his weight if
> he is a strong front runner...now this is what
> form analysts do...and even more...this is what
> sets 2 cents apart...he may never back every
> winner...but he will justify why i should have a
> bet ,all things taken into account....this can
> take an hour or 2 of studying race per race....now
> i will pay 2 cents for this work and
> effort..because i dont have the time to do
> it...and he will answer my reservations,if i have
> any,before putting my money down....3 weeks go he
> found this 7/1 shot in turfontein....the
> confidence he have us on this horse was
> phenominal...u would swear it was an odds on shot

Exactly there should be a reasoning / justification in backing the horse. Even if it loses, I wouldnt mind cos horses dont run on paper. An example last week was Royal Terrace, everytime this horse had a plum draw in Port Elizabeth it ran a cracker. If you analyzed the form well a form analyst with have seen that.

Dropdeadbeautiful (backed from 25s to 16s) on Sunday Cape last race same scenario always drawn badly. It ran 4th to the deadheaters after moving up strongly but found no extra (maybe the jockey could have given it a better ride).

Whitehouse when it won its 1st race in PE beating We Three and Makzoos it was way better of at the weights something like 10kgs for a 4L beating on their previous run. At a glance tomorrow Havasha carries al lightweight and could be a factor in PE.

This is just examples and there other factors but as you say most people dont have the time to study form. There are plenty so called form analysts taking a chance. There should tell you why they make that horse a worthy bet !!!!