blueridge mountain trained by?

11.3.4
the care of another TRAINER who shall have an authority to act granted to him by
the OWNER of the HORSE.

Seems that according to the rules everything is in order?? I think the point that we are all overlooking is that Gary and his team had the foresight to send the horse down for the Cape season ...well done to them

did they go down or not?

Titch Wrote:

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> 11.3.4
> the care of another TRAINER who shall have an
> authority to act granted to him by
> the OWNER of the HORSE.
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> Seems that according to the rules everything is in
> order?? I think the point that we are all
> overlooking is that Gary and his team had the
> foresight to send the horse down for the Cape
> season ...well done to them

No, the point we are overlooking is that we sell the game as one of skill and information, not as a casino game of luck. While who trains a horse makes no difference to me at all (because "good" trainers are over bet), I can't see how Racing is being fair to the punter if the trainer listed is not the trainer training.

It doesn't matter who the names are and it's a pity people are making it personal to the Alexanders. The principle is do we want the race card to have integrity and to be correct as possible? If that is what we want, should it say Alexander or Ramsden?

Trained by Gary Alexander, (c/o) Joey Ramsden.

Can that work in the race card?

Curlin Wrote:

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> Trained by Gary Alexander, (c/o) Joey Ramsden.
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> Can that work in the race card?


I think in theory a good idea - but imo very hard to implement in practice

Frodo Wrote:

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> Curlin Wrote:
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> > Trained by Gary Alexander, (c/o) Joey Ramsden.
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> > Can that work in the race card?
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> I think in theory a good idea - but imo very hard
> to implement in practice

1) accurate information to the punter

2) credit to both parties

3) the 'truth' according to contractual agreements betweens owner and trainer/s

Jack Dash Wrote:

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> It doesn't matter who the names are and it's a
> pity people are making it personal to the
> Alexanders. The principle is do we want the race
> card to have integrity and to be correct as
> possible? If that is what we want, should it say
> Alexander or Ramsden?

JD it seems for some reason people are having a go at the Alexander yard?? Nobody complained that Love Struck was in the care of Shane Humby and Via Africa was with Eric Sands??

I agree titch, seems like they are stuck on this issue like "kak op n wol kombers".....

Just let it go already......

People knew that Joey was looking after the horse yesterday and I wonder how many backed her?

Any chance we could post the ringer's response in the interest if fairplay?(I would if I knew how...lol)

An interesting comment is that the NHA appears to be getting a new race controller who actually understands racing and it's relevant issues.

Rob the Ringer could have sent it to us if he wanted or posted himself as he has an account....

anyway below is his response to the alexanders via email to the sportingpost ...




The Ringer Replies
Last updated on: February 7th, 2013

Dean Alexander’s defence of their stable as stated in last week’s letter under the laughable heading of “putting the record straight” is fraught with smoke and mirrors and has failed dismally to deal with a few rather pertinent issues.

I went to great pains to publicly state during the pre-Met panel discussion that my gripe lay with the NHA and not the Alexander’s whom I was exceedingly polite about. Sadly, Dean decided to write to the Sporting Post criticising my comments (and absurdly the other panellists as well whom he claimed suffered from “amnesia “) notwithstanding the fact that such comments were 100% factually correct and not challenged from that perspective in his baseless letter.

Entrusting a horse to the care of a fellow trainer over a limited period of time and playing an active part in the training thereof is one thing. Transferring a horse to another stable over a lengthy period (November – February) and playing zero part whatsoever and I mean zero, is another matter entirely.

All other trainers have always put in an appearance at least a few days before the race (if not prior thereto as well) to put the “finishing touches” to such horses’ preparation which is exactly what Justin Snaith regularly did when Gimmethegreenlight was temporarily in the care of the Woodruff stable in Gauteng. I speak subject to correction, but not a solitary sole from the Alexander stable has set foot in the Ramsden yard since she arrived in the Cape many months ago. The explanation tendered by Dean in regard to their “vanishing trick” is rather ludicrous to say the very least.

I accordingly stand by my statement that it is grossly misleading to the betting public and in my opinion a disgrace to have the filly race under the name of Gary Alexander as trainer when he is not the trainer by any definition you wish to choose.

I also believe that the NHA has been derelict in its duty in remedying the situation as they were advised of the problem well in advance of Met day and declined to put “the record straight.” David McGillivray can’t get here soon enough to take up his position as Racing Control Manager as far as I am concerned.

I doubt very much if Gary played any part in the filly’s programming as alleged by Dean. These decisions would in all probability have been taken by Joey and Derek Brugman based on the filly’s well being and in any event the races she came to the Cape to contest were glaringly obvious. The fact that Joey may have kept Gary in the loop is a tribute to his professionalism as a trainer. He certainly took no kudos himself at the presentation after the G2 Sceptre Stakes unlike Dean Alexander who was more than happy to glowingly accept all the accolades in the press. Let’s see if he has the barefaced cheek to do likewise after Saturday which of course begs the question as to where Gary or Dean were when “their” star filly was winning the G1 Majorca Stakes? Not at Kenilworth I can assure you.

Rather surprising if they are the trainers don’t you think? Julie was there presenting on-course, but even she being the respectful person that she is, stayed away from the presentation as she was under no illusions as to whom the actual trainer was.

It will be interesting to see if the filly returns to the Alexander’s (don’t hold your breath!) or whether she will misleadingly continue to race under their name for the duration of her career with Ramsden!

Oh and by the way Dean, I thought Vaughan Marshall was in Gauteng for a short while 2 years ago when his charge Top Seller ran 2nd in the G1 SA Classic to English Garden and Chrysalis was winning the Autumn Sand Sprint. What was that about amnesia?

Robert Bloomberg – via email

Sorry Hibs ,I thought we should debate both points of view for balance ...........I obviously missed the point!

(Dean Alexander didn't post himselfdid he? .........it looked like your post?)

Rob sorry if that looked like a dig,but i didnt even know there was a reply,and i`m sure you know by now that i believe in hearing both sides of every story...

people infact seem to not like the fact that i feel everyone is intitled to an opinion