the vaal what is going on

lucky where i say you shit jockey and where i say you ride winners for me? perhaps you no under stand english like me re. for the record i say you ride some for me never close to the winner and you are better trainer than jockey or may be you want to dis agree with that?

you now some time i get excite and i say the wrong thing but let me be very clear i no sorry what i say i am sorry HOW i say. for me i say what i think some time it dont be enjoy by people is the pity be cause then people say stupid thing like i am bitter all ways negative is easy to see these is in correct IF you read every thing not just want you look for for fight. so let me say these. I ask my son to read every thing that i put on these thread and for hem to tell me where i am wrong. he tell me i am wrong to say scrap yard is insult to trainer at vaal. i apologise. i no meen to insult. what i try to say is vaal have the lot of trainer who are struggle. some live in the stables they dont even afford there own house. if these truth is up sett lucky then is his problem he can "kiss my ass".

the rest i stick to what i say. no where i say lucky is shit. if he learn to under stand what is say he will be first to all so apologise i say he ride i no say he ride winner for me. i also no say any thing else just he ride. so now lucky is protect i no now who and say i call hem shit. he is greek i for give him. the other area the boys get upset is i say what i learn for 30 year and these is simple

1. 90% of horse will cost you money. probably 98%
2. owners are no looked after their is many example give on these site
3. the controls of horse raceing is not what is must be and no one can tell me it is diferent when we look at wrong horse is running, horse who win be fore is win maiden plate, the starter is load wrong horses in stalls, the stipes they no longer do their job many other example
4. the vets have be come more and more important for many trainer to get winners
5 the focus is off the sport of horse raceing and now the operator is only interest in dividend

for me is easy. let the trainers who cry about how negative i am do me the sum of every horse in there stable. you exclude the unraced off course. even take every horse you retire in last 5 year and do sum. take the buy price and add all expense to owner and then take the dividend then you tell me what percent of horse in yard is in front. come now the big mouth who say i am so negative and please do not give me the rubbish is no the investment is the fun. that i can hear when i loose my money at emerald. malaccas

i say what i here jeff woodruff heself say on the jimmy lithgow show. is not what i "heard" is what i see. he say it that he cant stay train at vaal. now mr goosen is say there are other story blah blah. may be is truth but what is the truth? how i can now these and now i ask i here some story to me is the sour grape of those still at vaal. jeff woodruff is train from vaal for many year he leave for good reason.

for me you dont like what i say i no care. per haps the truth is not the comfortable thing no? hibs if any thing i say is harm full or no the truth i will apologise i am no hear to harm people but please let us no look at the impala and say we have the rhino in front of us

FH,you are right 95% of horses cost you money. We are all hoping to own one of those in the other 5%. If an owner doesn't know that before he starts he is going to be unhappy. If he understands that and spins the wheel, then great.

Taban Wrote:

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> FH,you are right 95% of horses cost you money. We
> are all hoping to own one of those in the other
> 5%. If an owner doesn't know that before he starts
> he is going to be unhappy. If he understands that
> and spins the wheel, then great.


I think most owners do know that and if they do not then they have not done any research

Taban Wrote:

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> FH,you are right 95% of horses cost you money. We
> are all hoping to own one of those in the other
> 5%. If an owner doesn't know that before he starts
> he is going to be unhappy. If he understands that
> and spins the wheel, then great.


taban i am told recently that if the completely new owner who no is with horses be fore come in to the game the life span of these guys is less than 2 year. so they own horse for less than 2 year and leave. if these is true how many of these guy under stand and what is these guy think of raceing? is my point. louis and lucky get upset i under stand is there livelihood. they sell the 5% dream and no talk about the 95% night mare

As I said FH phone me we can arrange to kiss your ass.

Flash no owner is forced to buy horses , that decision is his alone and if you dont do your homework can be a nightmare as with any other speculative purchase ...

Len Sham Wrote:

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> Flash no owner is forced to buy horses , that
> decision is his alone and if you dont do your
> homework can be a nightmare as with any other
> speculative purchase ...


If you were clever enough to make the money to buy a horse you need to be clever enough to research the "hobby" you are now choosing to spend your money on - There are many bad stories but many good ones too -

A owner is an adult and knows what he can afford,i can tell him what he's gonna be in for a month,and if he feels he can afford it and carries on with his hobby,what business is it of yours they know what they paying every month they not stupid.As I said take your negative gripes and DUCK.I am not prepared to get into mudslinging fight with you on here so if you wanna take it further yhe number is there.And worry about where you live,not where others choose to live.

Flash Harry,i have been in this game for many years, and know Lucky when he was a jockey, plus I think he trained our first winner when he took out his license.I see you have your opinions about the game which give you many points, however you have to remember that we chose that path, others prefer casinos, and so the story goes on and on. From my side re malaka,let the people decide for themselves and if they don't like the adrenalin push when they see their horses run and sometimes win, then its time to ship out, remember nobody put a gun to their head and said get involved, however I don't think of how much ive lost in this game but I certainly remember the wins. Boys can make up their own minds and I feel that u are pissing people off with your views. Remember trainers have not got a coast line to choose a spot as im sure they would all like to train at the best centres, sadly some that start training later in life have to take the ''Scrapyard'' as that's all that is available, but remember a win is a win and I don't care where it comes from.

Flash Harry Wrote:

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> the friend of me tell me the story that 100000 is
> get raised for the build of the soccer field for
> the groom at the vaal. these money is allready sit
> by the ra and larry for he say 2 year but no one
> is build these soccer field be cause it is say the
> vaal is no being their for long and the soccer
> pitch will be build at the new race course the
> vaal move to. can louisg tell us what is go on
> hear he is the trainer manager for vaal so he now
> the story



This thread started off with the above query, which was in part answered by LG; however nothing further was mentioned about the 'vaal no being there for long and the soccer pitch will be built at the new race course'.

As no further mention is made about the 'vaal no being there for long', I assume that (at least as far as LG knows) the Vaal is here to stay for the foreseeable future; now everybody is entitled to their own opinions in life and I don't think think anyone can begrudge FH his opinions of the Vaal.

From what I can gather, the Vaal is a horse friendly place and the training tracks are great - however nobody can tell me that as a racecource venue it comes even close to being perfect. That does not detract from the trainers that operate from there - imo we have 'good' and 'bad' trainers at the Vaal and at Turffontein and at Randjiesfontein - but unfortunately the 'image' of the Vaal would not encourage me to send my 'million rand plus investment' to be trained there. Of course others may see it differently, 'variety is the spice of life'.

And as mentioned anyone who has done some research should be aware that the odds of finding that 'champion' or 'dream horse' is stacked against you (whether this be 1% or 5% or 20% - I don't think anyone is able to say exactly - but it's still a lot better than trying to win the lotto) - the point is I don't believe those odds are noticeably increased or decreased by having the horse trained at the Vaal vs Turffontein or Randjies - if the horse is good enough and the trainer is good enough, you could still 'realize that dream'.

We are hooked on a game that is far from perfect - but so is life - so if you choose to be involved, just enjoy the ride - or find something else - it really is up to you.

Looking forward to some sand racing today (tu)

One point that I agree with Flash is that owning horses is becoming prohibitive. Stakes are pathetic while operators pay themselves huge dividends. They have built their empire on the back of owners and punters but do not give a fcuk about them.