Do they need to cut the field sizes on the Fairview Poly?

ARUNDEL Wrote:

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> horses well drawn on the poly, have a distinct
> advantage,the turns are very sharp and if caught 2
> or 3 wide on the turn, you are always losing
> lengths coming into the straight, the home
> straight is also only 400m and by the time you've
> come round the turn and straightened your horse
> up, you probably have 300m to the finish, the
> horses in front and on the rail have already gone
> for home before half the field is round the turn,
> which is why you get out of form horses winning on
> the poly, the other scenario is that the front
> horses go hard early on and then tire in the
> straight and horses sitting midfield on or 1 off
> the rail can win. It generally takes a really
> decent horse to come wide or from off the pace
> into the straight and still win, usually happens
> in condition plates where ratings aren't
> applicable. you will also see the greatest
> distance between the winner and the last horse in
> the sprint races as horses drawn wide, don't have
> time to drop in and find a decent position before
> getting into the home straight.

I won't say that out of form horses win on the poly....its the same with Vaal sand racing....some horses act,some don't! As a lot of these 'out of form' horses runs on from the back

I find it amazing that horses running more than 5 wide have no problem in the USA and Caufield.

Mac Wrote:

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> I find it amazing that horses running more than 5
> wide have no problem in the USA and Caufield.


Is the run-in also only 3 or 4 hundred metres?

Mac you dont see many races in the states with more than 7 runners, never mind 16

hibernia Wrote:

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> Mac you dont see many races in the states with
> more than 7 runners, never mind 16


hibs i think u miss his point....he is saying that even in 5 horse field..if u have to go 5 wide to get your spot...they do just that in the states....its only here that its taboo to do that..and to a degree...thats why there r so many false paces in races in sa...because...trainers instructions here are for example,said to a jock in the parade ring...be 5 lenghts off them..or be 10 lengths off them...how can a trainer justify those instructions...does he know before the race what pace they gonna go..

RACING GURU Wrote:

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> hibernia Wrote:
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> > Mac you dont see many races in the states with
> > more than 7 runners, never mind 16
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> hibs i think u miss his point....he is saying that
> even in 5 horse field..if u have to go 5 wide to
> get your spot...they do just that in the
> states....its only here that its taboo to do
> that..and to a degree...thats why there r so many
> false paces in races in sa...because...trainers
> instructions here are for example,said to a jock
> in the parade ring...be 5 lenghts off them..or be
> 10 lengths off them...how can a trainer justify
> those instructions...does he know before the race
> what pace they gonna go..


If we talking poly track they dont hang around with false paces as everyone is looking to get over from the outside draws ...just look at clans horses that were drawn wide and how unlucky they were, going 5 wide they would have run out of the money.

len...false pace doesnt necessarily mean going slow...in that class of race going like the clappers..at a million miles per hour...and your instructions from your trainer was to be a length off the leader...is just as ludicrous as going slow

RACING GURU Wrote:

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> len...false pace doesnt necessarily mean going
> slow...in that class of race going like the
> clappers..at a million miles per hour...and your
> instructions from your trainer was to be a length
> off the leader...is just as ludicrous as going
> slow

Correct but coming 5 wide slow or fast pace you at a disadvantage unless the horse is lengths better than the field ,regarding the thread header I think 12 or 13 runners max at this stage .

Len

explain your theory to me please!

i watch racing from ALL over the world and they come wide and win a lot. Sometimes they come very wide at places like lingfield and at Southwell (bottomless surface) they always come wide.

I really don't concur with you. Maybe its because you are so used to "local is lekker" that you won't consider another option.

Racing Guru is spot on, the pace verses from race to race and how anyone can pre empt that in the parade ring and dish out instructions is a recipe for disaster.

Len's theory is surely spot on.......... you only have to watch a staggered athletics start (even if you maths not good.....lol) to see how much further you run if you run wide of the inside rail/lane................that is not theory that is fact!

Surely ,if a horse runs 10-20 metres further than another,it has to have that distance in hand to beat it?

I would be interested to hear any other theory!

easy Wrote:

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> Len
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> explain your theory to me please!
>
> i watch racing from ALL over the world and they
> come wide and win a lot. Sometimes they come very
> wide at places like lingfield and at Southwell
> (bottomless surface) they always come wide.
>
> I really don't concur with you. Maybe its because
> you are so used to "local is lekker" that you
> won't consider another option.
>
> Racing Guru is spot on, the pace verses from race
> to race and how anyone can pre empt that in the
> parade ring and dish out instructions is a recipe
> for disaster.

Easy I don't have to consider another option as I am not a trainer or a jockey ,and instructions in the parade ring are given by experienced people who best know what is required .. My theory is up to 1400 you can't come wide ...valuable ground is lost short straight.

Rob

they are staggered because they are in lanes

running up someones arse full of running and not pulling out wide caused Zola and Mary to trip

the math is how much loss down the inside v how much gain down the outside

slingshotting into the straight also helps, so in other words get the horse to start moving up round the bend and then as you hit the straight get it to change legs, quite evident in USA racing how they grab/yank em to change legs to of the straight.