one reason i dont miss be the owner

hibernia Wrote:

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> Ziets , so you have went from being a punter to
> experienced vet and trainer in a few weeks
>
> Great stuff


i have about 16 years of training experience and 2 guides with about 70 years of experience.....
rode work from 9 years old for 10 years ... rode in races from 10years for 6 years ...help feed nurse and care from when i can remember .... help trained until 8 years ago when i moved to pretoria. been past year lots of times in a lot of stables asking questions checking out what they do and stealing with the eye.... and still asking opinions everytime i get the chance to talk to an experience person

elmar....im still waiting for you detailed summary of expenses for training fees.......

Straw bedding R20 per bale
Shavings R45 per wool bag
Epol Gold Cup R220 per 40 kg
Rent R380 per box
Groom R800 per horse per month
Lucerne R70 per bale
Oathay R55 to R60 per bale
add hoove dressing, kit brushes saddlery etc
These are Cape Town costs
I believe the MINIMUM charge should be R5500
But do your sums for me as to R3500 allows a profit
Do you get a payment per runner as you stable offcourse?
If so How Much?

BIGNIC Wrote:

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> Those that havent owned a horse before .I dont
> think you can describe it better than Harry above
> its an absolute low and when you have a trainer
> that dont contact you for two months after that
> bad run yet your bills arrive on the 25th make you
> wanna puke.Most money I lose is on bets on my own
> horses;-) (So its a lot;-) )


Yes Nic I have the same experiences but sometimes I told the trainer the horse is going to win or backed it even if trainer think it has no chance, once bought horse for R1250 named Friston,on a sale Clyde Basel held, his first one, send the horse to Bloem, when he ran his first race for me and also my first race as a owner.
phoned the trainer nite before race, he said he has 3 runners of the 3 and mine the worst but anyway we can not beat a horse from C. Laird , to cut long story short My horse won and I picked up R25 000 which was at the time a tudy sum

then horse could not win a race again, saw ad of Paul Lafferty and send the horse to him and one day at Scottsville the unthinkable happened
Friston wa a Argosy x Firle which made him half brother to Firle Beacon
1800m draw 15 soft going, Rocky Agrella up he jumps go to the front, coming into straight leads by 3l thought he is going to hit brick wall but no doesn't stop win going away by 1 and a half lenghts
paid R145 on tote for a win had R100 on, has got tape where Paul apologize on air to me that he didn't think the horse could do it.

bought filly Crystal's Pride for R8000 on sale trained by Clouadagh Shaw, leaves it with her, she phones says horse is getting run over 1200 running against 8/10 shot of D Payne, Crystal Pride ridden by R Singh, draw against the paint, jumps and go start to finish pays R34 on tote only has R500 win on
lots more stories like this

elmer Wrote:

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> Straw bedding R20 per bale
> Shavings R45 per wool bag
> Epol Gold Cup R220 per 40 kg
> Rent R380 per box
> Groom R800 per horse per month
> Lucerne R70 per bale
> Oathay R55 to R60 per bale
> add hoove dressing, kit brushes saddlery etc
> These are Cape Town costs
> I believe the MINIMUM charge should be R5500
> But do your sums for me as to R3500 allows a
> profit
> Do you get a payment per runner as you stable
> offcourse?
> If so How Much?


you still did not answer my question..... give me the detailed expenses per horse....
how much per horse:
bedding straw/shavings ?
how much of the expensive gold cup cubes?
how much lucern?
how much oathay?
how much for nitty gritty?
how much profit is in you MINIMUM R5500 ?


and please explain your question " Do you get a payment per runner as you stable offcourse? " dont know what you trying to ask

Richie77 Wrote:

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> Element those vet fees are high. With Baker
> McVeigh my vet fees except when the boy was gelded
> are never more than about R500 - R600 per month.

Why so high

agra Wrote:

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> Richie77 Wrote:
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> > Element those vet fees are high. With Baker
> > McVeigh my vet fees except when the boy was
> gelded
> > are never more than about R500 - R600 per
> month.
>
> Why so high

unless there is something wrong with your horse I think it sees the vet too much if you are spending R500-R600 per month (i hope you don't own in partnership and own outright )- what is being done to it? Or is that just an average price (When I still owned there were many months when I got no vet bills but when injured or AHS then billed appropriately)

shrek Wrote:

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> But nothing beats the feeling of seeing your own
> horse cross the line first. (tu)

shrek tell me what it feels like ? did not have that feeling at all last year........ been a LOOOONG time since i led in a winner.......but must say......... Nothing beats it...... well almost nothing !

I am not looking to start an argument BUT someone needs to get to Bill Humans stables urgently....NO WAY can horses be fed on R3500 a month...something is wrong, either the bedding is being grown there, the staff not being paid statutory wage, the assistant trainer no getting a wage, something just does NOT add up....at a minimum it needs to be R5000 but really towards R6k is realistic

Richie77 Wrote:

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> Element those vet fees are high. With Baker
> McVeigh my vet fees except when the boy was gelded
> are never more than about R500 - R600 per month.

Yes - these are the around the vet fees I receive from this vet

Easy I got six on my plot got two grooms feed them Epol get shoes every month Vet visit them every second month whether sick or not and to stable them cost me on average 13500 per month I obviously dont pay for stables but 5000 sound very steep to me

Bignic

a human being should be earning R1000 a week imvho
so that accounts for R8000 a month
leaves R5500 for 6 horses

someone/thing is hungry