Meydan Saturday 29/3/14

Shea got there in plenty time, if he was good enough he would have won

Craig Eudey Wrote:

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> Easy, no one has said that Anton or Mike or Joa
> are not great trainers or jockeys but my stand is
> that without the horse having ability it does not
> matter who trains or rides it. I am a big fan of
> all of them but I could give Mike a few horses or
> Anton a few rides that I promise you they will
> not run a place with. Getting rid of 1 unraced
> tomorrow as it does not matter what they do it
> will not ever run a place unless the field cuts up
> to 3 runners. Without doubt the biggest factor is
> the horses ability and the trainer and jockey have
> a far smaller input on how that horse will run.
> Anyone who argues that the trainer or jockey have
> more input than the horse should give up racing
> now as they know F-all!

Curlin's Cousin? No he ran 11 times unplaced

simple - Moyes vs Ferguson that's all you need to know -

if mike de kock didnt have a massive (almost 100% input) hand in the preparation of Variety club he wouldnt run his best ever race yesterday....
fact, he is the master and a legend...just watch how his yards boooom when he spent time and his personal touch with that certain yard ....newmarket, dubai , randjies or natal....he does get more big wins rout of his horses.....
just a simple example....how many trainers did the oppenheimers ever had?????? all of them got the same type of stock from the farm.....and some trainers never made an impact but who was the one winning every big race when he got a chance....only the legend Mike de kock.
enough said.
i would love to rather spend a week with mike in his stables that 2 years with some other trainers

YOUR most truthful post ever.










Zietsman Oosthuizen Wrote:

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> if mike de kock didnt have a massive (almost 100%
> input) hand in the preparation of Variety club he
> wouldnt run his best ever race yesterday....
> fact, he is the master and a legend...just watch
> how his yards boooom when he spent time and his
> personal touch with that certain yard
> ....newmarket, dubai , randjies or natal....he
> does get more big wins rout of his horses.....
> just a simple example....how many trainers did the
> oppenheimers ever had?????? all of them got the
> same type of stock from the farm.....and some
> trainers never made an impact but who was the one
> winning every big race when he got a
> chance....only the legend Mike de kock.
> enough said.
> i would love to rather spend a week with mike in
> his stables that 2 years with some other trainers

Does it have to be either/or? How about a bit of both?

Some horses have what it takes and some don't. Some trainers/jockeys can improve any horse but they can't win with a horse that basically isn't fast enough or that has no will and heart to race.

Mike de Kock has certainly trained/retrained some horses that wouldn't perform for anyone else, but he has also had his failures. I don't know the man but I imagine he is realistic about this, otherwise he would never be able to go on training for, how many years is it now?

three factors - the athlete's natural ability, the skill in training the athlete gets to bring it on, and the company it is up against on the day (and track/weather/tactics on the day).

chance favours the prepared...?

Once again my last post on this subject. Maybe we all on a different page but I am saying it is 95+% the horse.(Anton said 97+%!). Maybe looking at this years F1 will help understand what I am saying. If I said last year that Daniel Ricardo would be out performing at least 3 world champions including Seb Vettel, you would have said I was mad. He is playing with them and why? Not hard to work out. Besides being the best drivers in the world with the best technicians and mechanics, the cars just are not good enough. It is even worse with horses as you can not just take a part out and replace it. Once again I want to reiterate that I am a huge fan of what Mike and Anton have done but to win the big races you have to have the material to work with. Mr H, Curlins Cousin was different as I owned 90% of him in the end and as he was bred by family and wanted to try prove the mare could have winners so we were desperate to win or run places but he was just not good enough and also went wrong. It was only my pocket that got hurt.

mr hawaii Wrote:

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> simple - Moyes vs Ferguson that's all you need to
> know -

Poor example

Martinez got wigan relegated and is now flying with everton in fifth place

The funniest thing is that the guys who believe religiously MDK has a magic wand and just waves it and produces gr1 winners never gives him horses, cmon boys why do you guys support trainers who have not won gr1 yet you say its all about the trainer????

Out of curiousity , Oscar had many horses with MDK how many grade 1 races did he win ? Yes MDK is a legend but he also needs the horse