July Top 20 Log 6/5/14

When in doubt look for De kock!!!!wwhistle stop? Captain lars?

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I know its a handicap, but the miniumum they can carry is 52.kg ()

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Anyone notice the change of ownership.......that was done for him to stay here .....for now!

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> Anyone notice the change of ownership.......that
> was done for him to stay here .....for now!


Well then even 5/1 represents value imo - has beaten Captain America twice - Louis the King not certain to take part - surely of the 3yr olds he must be the right one - only 'dark horse' for me is Whistle Stop - does anyone know what the plan is with him? Or do we have to wait for 16 May and the entries to the Daily News :S

Of the older runners, Yorker (weight and Greyville could be a concern) an obvious candidate with Hill Fifty Four - so Anton's / Brugmann's choice could be a pointer towards the right one; Cape Town Noir to me is better over 1600-1800; Beach Beauty most likely will go for the Garden Province again; as far as I know, Rio Carnival yet to win beyond 1600 - so I still prefer Punta Arenas above these 3.

Got a feeling that RAKES CHESTNUT might just sneak into the final field and maybe that will be ANTONS ride.

Rakes Chestnut? Not sure he could get withing 10l of this field

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> beaten Captain America twice - Louis the King not
> certain to take part - surely of the 3yr olds he
> must be the right one - only 'dark horse' for me
> is Whistle Stop - does anyone know what the plan
> is with him? Or do we have to wait for 16 May and
> the entries to the Daily News :S
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> could be a concern) an obvious candidate with Hill
> Fifty Four - so Anton's / Brugmann's choice could
> be a pointer towards the right one; Cape Town Noir
> to me is better over 1600-1800; Beach Beauty most
> likely will go for the Garden Province again; as
> far as I know, Rio Carnival yet to win beyond 1600
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Cracking a draw at Greyville would help Yorker, was he not drawn very badly his two runs at the track?
Wisnae beat that far

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But the Jubilee Handicap is only the 14th of June (isn't this a qualifying race?)...

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Nick, from what I have read the winner of this Race will get "preferencial consideration" but is not a qualifying race. The final declarations are on the 23rd June with the Final Field announced the next day. From the past I would imagine the winners of the BW Jubilee, Derby and Oaks that weekend, if qualifying for the July, would race off their rating going into this weekend and not off their new rating. If I have this correct these could be good races to try and qualify for the July with without incurring a penalty.

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> > > > > > Legislate will be leaving our shores -
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> > adjusted
> > > > (e.g. if Legislate wins the Daily News,
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> > > > MR still go up) ? For me current value lies
> > > with
> > > > Punta Arenas and I have had my first stab
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> > > him
> > > > at 40/1 and 9.2/a first four
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> Race will get "preferencial consideration" but is
> not a qualifying race. The final declarations are
> on the 23rd June with the Final Field announced
> the next day. From the past I would imagine the
> winners of the BW Jubilee, Derby and Oaks that
> weekend, if qualifying for the July, would race
> off their rating going into this weekend and not
> off their new rating. If I have this correct these
> could be good races to try and qualify for the
> July with without incurring a penalty.


Thanks for explaining. Yes, I can imagine a few horses need this race to qualify.

Vodacom Durban July Log with Ante-Post Betting

some serious horses in this field. There's very little between Legislate and Captain America yet the odds don't reflect that, CA is a value bet. Tellina is a big runner and is generously priced.