New members and unknown users,existing members ,who ever

Punters are mushroom...feed us _ _ _ _ and keep us in the _ _ _ _...

They (the operators) like our money...they don't like us...

TNaicker Wrote:

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> Punters are mushroom...feed us _ _ _ _ and keep us
> in the _ _ _ _...
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> They (the operators) like our money...they don't
> like us...

Exactly - what other business in the world does NOT like to have feedback from customers (EBAY has built its entire Business on a feedback/ratings system yet Phum thumb their noses at comments on Forums as if they don't exist) Disgusting

mr hawaii Wrote:

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> TNaicker Wrote:
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> > Punters are mushroom...feed us _ _ _ _ and keep
> us
> > in the _ _ _ _...
> >
> > They (the operators) like our money...they
> don't
> > like us...
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> Exactly - what other business in the world does
> NOT like to have feedback from customers (EBAY has
> built its entire Business on a feedback/ratings
> system yet Phum thumb their noses at comments on
> Forums as if they don't exist) Disgusting

I'm just spit balling here and I know that the operators do very little for their clientele but I think the reason they don't take the forums seriously as a viable outlet for complaints and constructive criticism is because they see us as a bunch of lunatics sitting behind a keyboard just wildly commenting and making false allegations. Also the reason why I believe Scotia has taken this step is to safeguard himself and the forum from libelous lawsuits. There have been far too many occasions where people have made unsubstantiated claims just because they have a personal vendetta and they have an ax to grind with the particular party.

The operators won't change because they are bad at marketing and interacting with their clients and they are even worse at keeping the clients happy. Why oh why is there still not a loyalty card system in place for people who choose to bet on the tote? Don't complain about the bookies taking away your business via the open bet, take your business back from them. We all know why they won't use a comp system because it costs money and corporations are not in the business of giving away money especially not in a cornered market. They should come to Vegas sometime and see what real competition can do for a business and its marketing concepts......sadly will also not happen as they have no competition in SA and if they did they would simply squash them.

I support whatever the owners of this site decide to do and I completely understand why they are doing it. I do also agree with Mr. H that nothing will change but at the end of the day, that may perhaps no longer be the fault of the "crazy lunatics at ABC".

Would you rather be blocked from participating on the site because you don't want to use your real details, or just accept the rules and continue to be part of a wonderful racing forum? Should I be asked to give my name, then so be it, but to forego the opportunity of participating because l'm afraid, nah.

bayern Wrote:

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> Would you rather be blocked from participating on
> the site because you don't want to use your real
> details, or just accept the rules and continue to
> be part of a wonderful racing forum? Should I be
> asked to give my name, then so be it, but to
> forego the opportunity of participating because
> l'm afraid, nah.

Spot on Bayern - I would provide my real name and the breathalyzer tests just to be part of this forum (tu)

Thanks for your post Tommy

I , for one am delighted with the idea for 2 reasons:
1) If any of us are not prepared to sign off what we say , we probably shouldn't be saying it.
2 ) I have often seen a debate which you think is being argued on the merits and then discovered that the one party/ person is not neutral but biased for political or economic reasons-that should become more easily apparent !

If this is being done to assist scotia / hibs against libel, etc, I have no problem with it.

Regarding the effect it will have in that 'many more people' will be posting', I am with Mr H - I don't think that will happen. And I think that if hibs asked somebody to comment on 'Frodo has written', or 'Eben Prinsloo' has written - I don't think it would make any difference to the response - 'just another nobody having a go'.

I think it will help in that some of the posters will just think twice about what they are writing.(tu)

Frodo , their most common used excuse was not responding to no names.

Firstly let me say thanks for all your valuable contributions for the best way forward with ABC.

I was sent a mail from the current host to say the previous host was not renewing and that the site could be switched off at any time, so the question of " don't change what is working " was not an option.

I was given various quotes and had to make a choice based on financial help that did not materialize, however let me just say that the motor bike will help keep us on the road to recovery.

Phase one this week is moving the forum content and is being handled by an international company and in parrellel a new home page/forum and more state of the art and user friendly site will hopefully be in place by month end.

As far as access to the new site we will have more security for new members but we will not try to inconvenience any of the existing members that have helped to build up the site.

The theory of enforcing people to use their own names will open the flood gates for racing authorities to feed back to the poster?
My understanding is that it was always easier to have an excuse not to post rather than face the
music, so "nameless and shameless" was always a lame excuse.

The change will be done in a few phases

1 new members need proper names and proper contact details.

2 the current members will be requested to change to proper names

3 we do have proper details of many of the current members and this is acceptable to us

4 we will then make the call on whom will be requested to re register via 1

5 not all request to post with real names will be approved

I do see a dip in the short term but in the long term a steady growth.

This post could also lead to a long exchange of dialog which I am requesting you limit as this week is going to be difficult for us with limited time considering my day job.

Dave Scott (ex scotia)

Craig, I do agree that it could lead to fewer 'nasty' posts.

As to the excuse to not responding to 'no names', I believe that's just what it is - an 'excuse' :S

On the whole, I am not against the idea, I just don't think it will have that much of an effect - but no harm in trying.