YOU BE THE JUDGE
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17 years 2 months ago
PS 100% agree with sectional timing - bring it on!
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17 years 2 months ago
What are TurfTrax sectional times?
A ‘sectional time’ is the time (in seconds) recorded for a horse to cover a furlong (or section) on the track. They allow us to better assess the pace at different stages of a race and the associated performances of each horse.
How does it work?
TurfTrax use a world-first speed and positioning system to track each horse in real-time. Using a very small transmitter in the horse’s saddlecloth, fixed receivers placed at various points alongside the course accurately plot the progress of the horse as it travels along the course.
Can the speed and positioning system reveal any additional information about a race?
Yes, the TurfTrax system records:
the horse’s in-running speed
the horse’s acceleration or deceleration
the horse’s distance travelled
the in-running race positions
How do sectional times help us?
Knowledge is power, and sectional timing is an integral aid for punters to keep one step ahead. By quantifying the sectional times and speeds, we can more accurately study the performances of horses and the effect of pace on their racing styles. One can also reveal if a horse fails to stay or is simply outpaced. Sectional timings can basically show you where a horse was using up his energy.
How do I know what a good sectional time is?
Assessing a good or bad performance comes from studying and comparing TurfTrax RaceData from previous races and factoring in the race conditions on the day. By doing this one can judge what pace a horse requires to at different stages of the race to deliver it’s best results.
Is sectional timing a new concept in Britain?
Newmarket has offered sectional timing in the past but never in such detail. Timing is integral to form analysis in North America, Australia and Hong Kong but since the implementation of the TurfTrax speed and positioning system, timing analysis will reach new highs on a world stage.
A ‘sectional time’ is the time (in seconds) recorded for a horse to cover a furlong (or section) on the track. They allow us to better assess the pace at different stages of a race and the associated performances of each horse.
How does it work?
TurfTrax use a world-first speed and positioning system to track each horse in real-time. Using a very small transmitter in the horse’s saddlecloth, fixed receivers placed at various points alongside the course accurately plot the progress of the horse as it travels along the course.
Can the speed and positioning system reveal any additional information about a race?
Yes, the TurfTrax system records:
the horse’s in-running speed
the horse’s acceleration or deceleration
the horse’s distance travelled
the in-running race positions
How do sectional times help us?
Knowledge is power, and sectional timing is an integral aid for punters to keep one step ahead. By quantifying the sectional times and speeds, we can more accurately study the performances of horses and the effect of pace on their racing styles. One can also reveal if a horse fails to stay or is simply outpaced. Sectional timings can basically show you where a horse was using up his energy.
How do I know what a good sectional time is?
Assessing a good or bad performance comes from studying and comparing TurfTrax RaceData from previous races and factoring in the race conditions on the day. By doing this one can judge what pace a horse requires to at different stages of the race to deliver it’s best results.
Is sectional timing a new concept in Britain?
Newmarket has offered sectional timing in the past but never in such detail. Timing is integral to form analysis in North America, Australia and Hong Kong but since the implementation of the TurfTrax speed and positioning system, timing analysis will reach new highs on a world stage.
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17 years 2 months ago
If they introduce it in SA we will see what crooks the jocks really are. I reckon there are so many races run at a false pace its scary.
I say bring it on, won't hold my breath though!
I say bring it on, won't hold my breath though!
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17 years 2 months ago
I am sorry Karel,but I totally disagree with the concept of running an official race where betting would not apply to 1st timers.I can understand why it is done in the p6,but frankly if it applies to the p6 it should apply to the pa too,just to start with.You are now advocating that we have a scenario for example where there are 10 runners in a race,where only 2 horses have raced,and I as the punter can effectively back a horse to finish 9th to beat a horse to finish 10th.That is simply ridiculous.I understand why you think this could work,but the game is already suffering from an image crisis amongst the general public,how long do think it will take before our battling jockeys cotton on to the fact that they can guarentee themselves money by simply finishing behind the other raced horse in a race.Do you honestly think that the bookmakers would bet on such a contest to start with,and how are the tote betting public supposed to bet on such a race with official betting on only 2 horses in a 10 horse field anyway.Frankly I don't believe that this is the real Karel Miedema typing this,it simply seems too ludicrous a suggestion to be yours!
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17 years 2 months ago
I have had many first timers "punted" first time out where I believe the claims are bullshit claims of a bookie front running the market. Laying a horse to lose 10k is also pathetic as is the resulting price and owners should wait until the race but then the problem becomes jockeys, work watchers and tipsters who get information from the stable.
In the end look at the number of horses claimed and how often they win and you will realise that the information you seek is not that strong anyway. If you are bothrered about punting in a race with first timers then the simple answer is don't punt.
In the end look at the number of horses claimed and how often they win and you will realise that the information you seek is not that strong anyway. If you are bothrered about punting in a race with first timers then the simple answer is don't punt.
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17 years 2 months ago
Charles Faull made a statement regarding the media where he stated that we do a great job discouraging the press/media.
Gardner stated thats "utter rubbish".
Got to side with Faull again.
Phumelela (we assume marketing and communications which falls under Gardner), has discouraged/restricted/banned the selling of arguably South Africa's finest horseracing newspaper, The Sporting Post, from many Phumelela controlled outlets.
Gardner stated thats "utter rubbish".
Got to side with Faull again.
Phumelela (we assume marketing and communications which falls under Gardner), has discouraged/restricted/banned the selling of arguably South Africa's finest horseracing newspaper, The Sporting Post, from many Phumelela controlled outlets.
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17 years 2 months ago
Karel, was it only Kenilworth with the sectional timing facility? What about the other courses - do any of the other courses in SAF have this installed? If not, barrier trials is the next step as it's cheap to facilitate and will help with the marketing of racing at ground floor level. Is there any way racing in SAF can this time unify to do something to revive their customer market/build it up, not like last time with barrier trials whereby only Cape Town tried it out?
Somehow some owners on this blog believe they are the only contributors to racing by bringing the horse to the track. Think who brings the track and stakes? Where does the money for this come from?? There are 3 stakeholders in Racing - breeders, owners and then there is the punter. It is not the case of one having the edge over the other, just simple economics in looking to where the product is sold and where the income to run the business comes from. Without a customer base who buys your product, will the owners be the only customers then and also put up the money for stakes and the tracks etc and how will they then get a ROI???
The press is an important and easy vehicle for marketing if you utilise it - reaching your customer directly. Hampering it does racing no favours, it just makes racing more inaccessible as it causes in the mind of the public that racing doesn't exist. Even Coca Cola, successfull brand with no need to advertise, still advertises so that their customers do not forget about them. So yes, Mr Faull made a very important point there - so easy and to a large degree free.
Somehow some owners on this blog believe they are the only contributors to racing by bringing the horse to the track. Think who brings the track and stakes? Where does the money for this come from?? There are 3 stakeholders in Racing - breeders, owners and then there is the punter. It is not the case of one having the edge over the other, just simple economics in looking to where the product is sold and where the income to run the business comes from. Without a customer base who buys your product, will the owners be the only customers then and also put up the money for stakes and the tracks etc and how will they then get a ROI???
The press is an important and easy vehicle for marketing if you utilise it - reaching your customer directly. Hampering it does racing no favours, it just makes racing more inaccessible as it causes in the mind of the public that racing doesn't exist. Even Coca Cola, successfull brand with no need to advertise, still advertises so that their customers do not forget about them. So yes, Mr Faull made a very important point there - so easy and to a large degree free.
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17 years 2 months ago
I have just seen a recording of the last 60 seconds of the show...
"It is often the people that put least in the game that have the most to say"............. RA Chairman Larry Wainstein.
What on earth is meant by this statement....? What are the parameters used to calculate who, be it individually, or collectively, has put most into the game...?
Is financial means been used as the sole criteria for such a statement? if so, is that a % of ones available income or can we put a price on the time, love passion, dedication and indulgence representative of all stakeholder groups?
Whilst care was taken to state "I'm not having a go at anyone" in pre-empting this closing statement, I find it extremely vague, baffling and of little use unless quantified.
"It is often the people that put least in the game that have the most to say"............. RA Chairman Larry Wainstein.
What on earth is meant by this statement....? What are the parameters used to calculate who, be it individually, or collectively, has put most into the game...?
Is financial means been used as the sole criteria for such a statement? if so, is that a % of ones available income or can we put a price on the time, love passion, dedication and indulgence representative of all stakeholder groups?
Whilst care was taken to state "I'm not having a go at anyone" in pre-empting this closing statement, I find it extremely vague, baffling and of little use unless quantified.
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17 years 2 months ago
clearly all stakeholders have a lot to lose. Who is steering this ship and who is going to take responsibility for turning it around?
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17 years 2 months ago
Don you are right, there are the owner, the breeder and then the punter.What you perhaps don't know is that the owner is also a breeder AND a punter!! The breeder is also an owner AND a punter. And the punter is... Therefor you can calculate who carries the biggest load.
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17 years 2 months ago
element, i know. And all the more reason for growing a better customer base.
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17 years 2 months ago
Running the risk of repeating what everyone else has stated or thinks, allow me to add my pennies worth.
Barrier trials ( what I thought the discussion would be all about), sectional timimg, enthusiastic media participation and dissemination and all suchlike instruments should be to give the punter (big or small) the opportunity to make a more informed choice when betting, Betting, which you must agree is the life blood of the industry.
Absence of such limits the income of shareholders in the industry, whether it be owners, punters or other.
The question is not whether these instruments of information is needed, but rather who should foot the bill.
Clearly IMVHO, the racing operators should not be hiding here.
The logistics, costs and other reasons for not having these instruments are only smokescreens.
It was very clear from the show that the people who can make a positive contribution in this regard, ie, the R.A., NHRA and Phumelela are not interested.
S.A racing will remain years behind the rest while this attitude prevails.
Barrier trials ( what I thought the discussion would be all about), sectional timimg, enthusiastic media participation and dissemination and all suchlike instruments should be to give the punter (big or small) the opportunity to make a more informed choice when betting, Betting, which you must agree is the life blood of the industry.
Absence of such limits the income of shareholders in the industry, whether it be owners, punters or other.
The question is not whether these instruments of information is needed, but rather who should foot the bill.
Clearly IMVHO, the racing operators should not be hiding here.
The logistics, costs and other reasons for not having these instruments are only smokescreens.
It was very clear from the show that the people who can make a positive contribution in this regard, ie, the R.A., NHRA and Phumelela are not interested.
S.A racing will remain years behind the rest while this attitude prevails.
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