PE today and the 2nd run after a rest

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PE today and the 2nd run after a rest

17 years 2 days ago
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I shan't encroach on the PE tipping thread just started by cuckoo so keep the tips for today on there.

I do also increasingly enjoy watching PE on Friday's (bar the all to frequent stalls breakouts and numerous other delays to the start which seem to plague this centre.

I also think the on-course presenter, Rod, does a fine job but I cannot get my head around this 2nd run after a rest syndrome which he is clearly a leading exponent of...

I know this was batted out a long time ago on here and there are believers in this, but to me, I fail to see how a 2nd run after a break can be seen as a potential negative against a horses chances.

I may be on dodgy ground myself here but to me this "2nd run after a rest" syndrome is a South African myth, akin to Englands St George slaying a dragon and St. Patrick chasing the snakes out of Ireland.

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Re: Re: PE today and the 2nd run after a rest

17 years 2 days ago
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A trainers excuse pure and simple

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Re: Re: PE today and the 2nd run after a rest

17 years 2 days ago
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Respect Dr Who, but Rod will highlight 2nd run after a rest being a negative against a horse in his preview before a race.

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Re: Re: PE today and the 2nd run after a rest

17 years 2 days ago
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Chris Wrote:
> I shan't encroach on the PE tipping thread just
> started by cuckoo so keep the tips for today on
> there.
>
> I do also increasingly enjoy watching PE on
> Friday's (bar the all to frequent stalls breakouts
> and numerous other delays to the start which seem
> to plague this centre.
>
> I also think the on-course presenter, Rod, does a
> fine job but I cannot get my head around this 2nd
> run after a rest syndrome which he is clearly a
> leading exponent of...
>
> I know this was batted out a long time ago on here
> and there are believers in this, but to me, I fail
> to see how a 2nd run after a break can be seen as
> a potential negative against a horses chances.
>
> I may be on dodgy ground myself here but to me
> this "2nd run after a rest" syndrome is a South
> African myth, akin to Englands St George slaying a
> dragon and St. Patrick chasing the snakes out of
> Ireland.

It's based on the premise that a horse comes out rearing to go. Certain biological components in a race horses make up CAN ONLY be replenished by resting, no amount of suppliments, feed additives, energy drinks etc can do.

So if a horse comes out - presumably at peak, runs and loses narowly, it is assumed that the second run will not auger well, as theoretically the horse should again be rested to replenish it biologics. Usually the third run is some time later when the horse has had some time to recover.

This 2nd run syndrome would not apply to a horse that comes out from a rest and is given an easy build up schedule, but only to those that obviosuly an to peak form on the first outing.

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Re: Re: PE today and the 2nd run after a rest

17 years 2 days ago
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many many moons ago when i used to partake in school athletics often the first run i had that season would be pretty good(sprint) my next race i'd battle but as the season wore on i'd do better - i'm not sure if the same applies to horses but it seems that way

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Re: Re: PE today and the 2nd run after a rest

17 years 2 days ago
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The same Reason it is rumoured that Russian athletes are sent to train at high altitudes and when the oxygen content in the blood is at optimum, it is drained and stored. Immediately after extreme exertion the oxygen content is depleted along with certain other sub elements, the optimum can only be reached again over time.

If a horse is raced repeatedly after severe oxygen depletion, from maximum exertion, it will break down. maximum exertion means where oxygen is consumed at a faster rate than the horse produces it in running, and once that threshold is broken--- the only way to recover is to rest the horse.

I have tried to describe the syndrome in laymen terms...if anybody is interested in reading a complete scientific report on the phenomena, mail me.

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Re: Re: PE today and the 2nd run after a rest

17 years 2 days ago
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Interesting theory Whoisu, totally shattered by the late Buddy Maroun i would suggest

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Re: Re: PE today and the 2nd run after a rest

17 years 2 days ago
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Ok, anybody waant scientific fact...shout, otherwise we could have a year of debating opinions.

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Re: Re: PE today and the 2nd run after a rest

17 years 2 days ago
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"fact" is subject to interpretation. "Facts" change as knowledge advances, which is exactly why we have years of debate

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Re: Re: PE today and the 2nd run after a rest

17 years 2 days ago
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Theory evolves to fact whenever it has been tested, and proven. Knowledge advances as theory becomes fact. anything else remains theory and speculation , theory and speculation never equate to knowledge. :)

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Re: Re: PE today and the 2nd run after a rest

17 years 2 days ago
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Goodness,surely you know that theory cannot be proven, only disproven by constant testing. As each theory is disproven another emerges for testing, but not proving, but anyway, lets find winners...

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Re: Re: PE today and the 2nd run after a rest

17 years 2 days ago
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I submit - you win!

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