NHA raid the Bush races

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Re: NHA raid the Bush races

6 years 3 months ago
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Im waiting for the apology. Please dont take too long.

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Re: NHA raid the Bush races

6 years 3 months ago
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:lol: We still waiting for the name of the person who you "gave" if I remember correctly the horses to that Clodagh had to rescue in the Eastern Cape/Southern Natal.

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Re: NHA raid the Bush races

6 years 3 months ago
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You can tell him and his wife they both lieing bullshitters and I can prove it. Where is your apology for defamation of character ? Or must we go the lawyer root Craig Eudey?

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Re: NHA raid the Bush races

6 years 3 months ago
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Remember guys being licensed by the NHRA they can intervene, you can go to them if you think your are being wronged in public... They are avid readers... Just send them the thread
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Re: NHA raid the Bush races

6 years 3 months ago
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Zietsman do what you want. I said that this is what I was told in front of lawyers and they have said they have your SMS where you swore at them. They are watching the rugby but I will get them from them. I said I would apologize if they lied to me but they havent yet. Will you do the same if they produce the SMS?

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Re: NHA raid the Bush races

6 years 3 months ago
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I followed the thread with great interest Craig fact is this breeder whoever it is is not factually correct. He has never been in contact with me, why me because I bought her as a two or three time winner and at the time and for the period I owned her no one ever contacted me to buy her . I sold her to the current owners after her third win in Kimberley and therefore cannot vouch for negotiations after that.. What I can tell you I have seen the specific track (My company do a lot of construction on a coal mine in Ellisras and I stayed at a guest house near the track which is located next door to the local SPCA ) this track and I went to have a look to see what it is like was in a much better condition that the Vaal Sand or Kimberley tracks. I have never in my live attended an informal race (its not bush racing, it is not illegal ) .There is a lot of hypocrites that comment on this , for me it is interesting that while the NHRA named the horses whose paperwork was t up to date in terms of retiring the horse , there was no mention by them of horses that was neglected ( after all the SPCA) is next door?
All that is involved in racing know how difficult it is to find a forever home for horses and the expenses of taking care after racing of them( I got 5 of them on my small holding and it cost me around 10000 per month ) therefore if the horses are properly taken care of whats wrong with it?
How big a role do most breeders play in retired horses after racings careers? Is R20000 a realistic price for a 12 time winning mare ? I dont think so -at an auction what will you pay for a foal out of such a mare ?
In my opinion a lot of the people shouting the odds talk from a lay mans perspective deal with the facts , if they are properly taken care off they are still better off than those that end up at slaughter houses .

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6 years 3 months ago
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BIGNIC wrote: I followed the thread with great interest Craig fact is this breeder whoever it is is not factually correct. He has never been in contact with me, why me because I bought her as a two or three time winner and at the time and for the period I owned her no one ever contacted me to buy her . I sold her to the current owners after her third win in Kimberley and therefore cannot vouch for negotiations after that.. What I can tell you I have seen the specific track (My company do a lot of construction on a coal mine in Ellisras and I stayed at a guest house near the track which is located next door to the local SPCA ) this track and I went to have a look to see what it is like was in a much better condition that the Vaal Sand or Kimberley tracks. I have never in my live attended an informal race (its not bush racing, it is not illegal ) .There is a lot of hypocrites that comment on this , for me it is interesting that while the NHRA named the horses whose paperwork was t up to date in terms of retiring the horse , there was no mention by them of horses that was neglected ( after all the SPCA) is next door?
All that is involved in racing know how difficult it is to find a forever home for horses and the expenses of taking care after racing of them( I got 5 of them on my small holding and it cost me around 10000 per month ) therefore if the horses are properly taken care of whats wrong with it?
How big a role do most breeders play in retired horses after racings careers? Is R20000 a realistic price for a 12 time winning mare ? I dont think so -at an auction what will you pay for a foal out of such a mare ?
In my opinion a lot of the people shouting the odds talk from a lay mans perspective deal with the facts , if they are properly taken care off they are still better off than those that end up at slaughter houses .

If you can't / aren't prepared to take care of them after they're finished trying to make money for you then rather put them to sleep to avoid having someone else running them into the ground in bush races. That's probably the more responsible route.

Having seen the track, did you report such activity to the NHA? Did you feel some responsibility to do so seeing as you were witness to something that is unregulated and/or bordering on illegal if gambling etc is happening? Or did you see an outlet where you could potentially sell horses on if they failed in the big hole?
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Re: NHA raid the Bush races

6 years 3 months ago
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BigNic, thank you for the post. Apparently in the Sporting post it was said by Zietsman that the breeders had made un unreasonable offer ( havent seen it so not sure on the wording) and that the mare was going to a big stud. They assumed until she was found bush racing that she was there at this stud. Mares like her with the closest black type only in the 3rd dam and 4th once she produces are worth nothing even though she won 12. She is old now as well. They had to be dealing with Zietsman as he knew and posted about the offer of half the first foal( Masterofmyfate or What a winter were going to be the sire) but obviously turned that down. After being sworn at they not interested in dealing with him anymore. I think the crux of the matter is she could have gone to stud and had a great home after racing her heart out to 12 wins and morally that's where most people think she should have been and not squeezing the last drop out of her. I always remember Johnny and Tessa Dawson with the owners would not send Bond to Mauritius as he had done them proud. Thandolwami could easily have gone there but I kept him for 3 years( work that out what it cost me with everything included)until Carey found him a lovely home as a companion on a huge farm. IMHO you have to be very hard to send/sell a mare like that to Bush racing.

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Re: Re:NHA raid the Bush races

6 years 3 months ago
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Is there a vet in attendance at bush racing?


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Re: Re:NHA raid the Bush races

6 years 3 months ago
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I have asked on a few occasions, reasonably, for an explanation of how bush racing is funded. The silence is deafening and tells a story. It is clear from the previous thread that many trainers and owners from the shithole are involved in this form of "sport". It is clear to me that either people that race in Kimberley need extra to survive - looking at stakes I have full understanding of this - or, are doing this for a good old entertainment with financial benefits attached.

Now looking at the previous Bush racing post from 5 years ago, it is clear that this is a long standing and regular occurrence. The question now must be what caused the NHA to raid after being aware of this for many years. Was it because of complaints about animal welfare? Was it complaints from Phumelela who have seen dwindling pools at the shithole? The problem with this type of raid is no-one is the wiser afterwards.

Close Kimberley down it is a boil on the arse of South African racing, both in terms of the venue and the people that support it. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. We will all be better off without it.

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Re: NHA raid the Bush races

6 years 3 months ago
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Mac there is supposed to be at the big organized meetings but not at the small ones where they decide which can go to the bigger bush meetings.
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Re: NHA raid the Bush races

6 years 3 months ago
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Craig you seem to have a good idea of how this bush racing works. Please can you share with us what you know/ have been told. I am particularly interested in how the funding occurs and what betting takes place.

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