USA next President Donald or Joe?

TNaicker wrote: This was actual US deaths when compared to actual worldwide deaths...

If the US accounted for 67% of all deaths for one virus and 20% of all deaths for another virus, which administration (given the circumstances and the limitations of the federal government to impose their will nationwide) handled the virus better?

With the Chinese coronavirus (more deaths in the over 65 age groups) being more deadly than H1N1 (more deaths in the under 65 age groups), you would expect there to be more actual cases and deaths but the government's responsiveness must be compared relative to others around the world...
H1N1 - US 4-5% of world population but 67% of deaths (all solely due to the virus)
Chinese coronavirus - US 4% of world population and 20% of deaths (and not all solely due to the virus)

TN, you are not answering the question, in what light/sense is this based on? Take South Korea, population (about) 51 269 000, virus deaths 457 (as at 26/10), that's a lot less than 1% of the population - that's where i'm heading. Do the same for (say) Germany, population 83 million, deaths 10 062.

TNaicker wrote: This was actual US deaths when compared to actual worldwide deaths...

If the US accounted for 67% of all deaths for one virus and 20% of all deaths for another virus, which administration (given the circumstances and the limitations of the federal government to impose their will nationwide) handled the virus better?

With the Chinese coronavirus (more deaths in the over 65 age groups) being more deadly than H1N1 (more deaths in the under 65 age groups), you would expect there to be more actual cases and deaths but the government's responsiveness must be compared relative to others around the world...
H1N1 - US 4-5% of world population but 67% of deaths (all solely due to the virus)
Chinese coronavirus - US 4% of world population and 20% of deaths (and not all solely due to the virus)

...plus you had democratic governors FORCING retirement facilities to take in covid + patients, which, surprise surprise, caused a lot of deaths in those homes. Yet they have the audacity to blame DJT for the high number of covid deaths. USA became an exporter of ventilators. Federal government sent a ship to NY which was not even used. Earlier in the year, Cuomo, Newsom et al were praising DJT for his support.

bayern wrote:

Lionel wrote:

bayern wrote:

TNaicker wrote: @Magi...I won't say anything about DJT or the elections but I want some of the fellow Clanners to educate themselves...

H1N1
WHO lab confirmed deaths worldwide = 18449
Lab confirmed US deaths = 12469

So US deaths were 67.58% of total deaths

Chinese coronavirus
deaths worldwide = 1156014
USA covid-related deaths = 230085

So US covid-related (not solely) deaths are 19.9% of total deaths

Which is better / worse? You can (mis)use information as one chooses to push whatever narrative you want...

TN, with all due respect, you are tilting at windmills trying to convince the Trump supporters to educate themselves. Surprised no one has asked you to provide your source, and even when you do, they'd probably say it's what the liberal media want you to believe. The nonsense Trump spews is not incorrect, it's down-right wrong, yet the supporters just lap it up. Amazing the Trump supporters will not acknowledge the play-book is exactly as he used in 2016 against Clinton, the e mails. Now he has shifted to Biden's son and the e mails again, but not only that, Trump wants Biden, Clinton and Obama all locked up, as we speak, to the extent that he is turning on his own AG for not doing this soon enough. History has shown us this is what dictators do, punish those who disagree with them.

Bayern, I think you missed TN point altogether. I've understood TN's point fully, i take by the lack of any dispute to his statistics, Trump supporters are agreeing?

The play book is the same, because the evidence is the same....corruption. Hillary did scrub and bleach her server. Fact. I'm sure she did that just for the sake of doing it, right? Corruption is the allegation, if it were true, why isn't she behind bars? Trump is pushing to have her jailed, together with Obama, and Joe Biden. Never forget, it is Trump's appointed AG, who apparently can do as he pleases, but is not - there's got to be a reason?

Hunter is in the spotlight over this laptop issue. It potentially has huge ramifications, if true. Should DJT just ignore it? Should the American's just ignore it?

You are spot on regarding dictators. Look what they did to DJT. They were screaming impeachment since before he even took office. They "spied" on him. They got a FISA warrant out of questionable evidence. Even Comey admitted to that. He called it "sloppy". These are all facts. How many republicans ended up prosecuted vs democrats? Ask your self, "why?" Lionel, i am not wrong, Trump did get impeached, he wasn't removed from office. Are suggesting the has not impeached, it's just a figment of our imagination? He couldn't be impeached before he became the President, that's just impossible. Quite a few of his former colleagues and inner circle were prosecuted, i posted that earlier on this thread - answer your own question, sir, how many Democrats were prosecuted for corruption? The FISA warrant or Steele dossier, who is doing time as a result of those fake reports. We aware some arbitrary pen-pusher admitted to changing a document, and will be prosecuted, if not already doing time. FBI agent, Peter Strzok, where is he in all this sordid mess - not in jail, i can assure you.

The MSM is by the large part, democratic.
Hollywood is democratic.
Music industry is by the large part, democratic.
Colleges.
Big tech.
etc
etc...

Make no mistake about it, the democrats are NOT the resistance.

Bayern, the question of republic vs democrat prosecution scorecard was rhetorical. We all know that, so far, apart from the lawyer recently, only republicans are being prosecuted. What does this tell you? Is it that it's only the republicans that are doing shady dealings, and that the dems are sparkling clean?

So if the south african state capturers never see the inside of a jail cell, does that mean they are innocent?

Bayern, referring to Clinton's emails:

Extracted from Comey's book:

James Comey’s confidence that Hillary Clinton would win the presidency informed his decision to notify Congress just 11 days before election day that an investigation of her emails had been reopened – an act many, including Clinton, believe instead helped usher Donald Trump into the White House.
In Comey’s new book, A Higher Loyalty, a copy of which was obtained by the Guardian on Thursday, the former FBI director writes that before he wrote to Congress to say investigators were reviewing a newly acquired batch of Clinton emails, a “brilliant and quiet” lawyer on his team asked him a pointed question.
“Should you consider that what you are about to do may help elect Donald Trump president?”
Comey thanked the lawyer for her question, he writes. And then he answered with a resounding: “No.”
What Comey did next – following a July news conference in which he branded Clinton’s handling of classified material “extremely careless” – has left him vulnerable to accusations of having swayed the election. News of his letter to Congress splashed in the headlines as early voting proceeded.
Comey writes: “Assuming, as nearly everyone did, that Hillary Clinton would be elected president of the United States in less than two weeks, what would happen to the FBI, the justice department or her own presidency if it later was revealed, after the fact, that she still was the subject of an FBI investigation?”

Ok, so Trump is the dictator?? Mmm...who was THE most hounded president in the history of America?

The deep state, aka the swamp, threw the kitchen sink at him (CIA, FBI, NSA, DOJ, MSM, Hollywood etc), he is still standing strong!

4 more years

Lionel wrote: Ok, so Trump is the dictator?? Mmm...who was THE most hounded president in the history of America?

The deep state, aka the swamp, threw the kitchen sink at him (CIA, FBI, NSA, DOJ, MSM, Hollywood etc), he is still standing strong!

4 more years

It doesn't bother me who wins this election - i do believe Trump will have many legal battles when he steps away fro the Office, whenever that is. I also don't have a problem who gets found guilty and jailed, be it Clinton, Obama or Biden, they are innocent until proven guilty. Comey is also roaming free, not sure what has been proven against him as yet.

Lionel wrote:

bayern wrote:

Lionel wrote:

bayern wrote:

TNaicker wrote: @Magi...I won't say anything about DJT or the elections but I want some of the fellow Clanners to educate themselves...

H1N1
WHO lab confirmed deaths worldwide = 18449
Lab confirmed US deaths = 12469

So US deaths were 67.58% of total deaths

Chinese coronavirus
deaths worldwide = 1156014
USA covid-related deaths = 230085

So US covid-related (not solely) deaths are 19.9% of total deaths

Which is better / worse? You can (mis)use information as one chooses to push whatever narrative you want...

TN, with all due respect, you are tilting at windmills trying to convince the Trump supporters to educate themselves. Surprised no one has asked you to provide your source, and even when you do, they'd probably say it's what the liberal media want you to believe. The nonsense Trump spews is not incorrect, it's down-right wrong, yet the supporters just lap it up. Amazing the Trump supporters will not acknowledge the play-book is exactly as he used in 2016 against Clinton, the e mails. Now he has shifted to Biden's son and the e mails again, but not only that, Trump wants Biden, Clinton and Obama all locked up, as we speak, to the extent that he is turning on his own AG for not doing this soon enough. History has shown us this is what dictators do, punish those who disagree with them.

Bayern, I think you missed TN point altogether. I've understood TN's point fully, i take by the lack of any dispute to his statistics, Trump supporters are agreeing?

The play book is the same, because the evidence is the same....corruption. Hillary did scrub and bleach her server. Fact. I'm sure she did that just for the sake of doing it, right? Corruption is the allegation, if it were true, why isn't she behind bars? Trump is pushing to have her jailed, together with Obama, and Joe Biden. Never forget, it is Trump's appointed AG, who apparently can do as he pleases, but is not - there's got to be a reason?

Hunter is in the spotlight over this laptop issue. It potentially has huge ramifications, if true. Should DJT just ignore it? Should the American's just ignore it?

You are spot on regarding dictators. Look what they did to DJT. They were screaming impeachment since before he even took office. They "spied" on him. They got a FISA warrant out of questionable evidence. Even Comey admitted to that. He called it "sloppy". These are all facts. How many republicans ended up prosecuted vs democrats? Ask your self, "why?" Lionel, i am not wrong, Trump did get impeached, he wasn't removed from office. Are suggesting the has not impeached, it's just a figment of our imagination? He couldn't be impeached before he became the President, that's just impossible. Quite a few of his former colleagues and inner circle were prosecuted, i posted that earlier on this thread - answer your own question, sir, how many Democrats were prosecuted for corruption? The FISA warrant or Steele dossier, who is doing time as a result of those fake reports. We aware some arbitrary pen-pusher admitted to changing a document, and will be prosecuted, if not already doing time. FBI agent, Peter Strzok, where is he in all this sordid mess - not in jail, i can assure you.

The MSM is by the large part, democratic.
Hollywood is democratic.
Music industry is by the large part, democratic.
Colleges.
Big tech.
etc
etc...

Make no mistake about it, the democrats are NOT the resistance.

Bayern, the question of republic vs democrat prosecution scorecard was rhetorical. We all know that, so far, apart from the lawyer recently, only republicans are being prosecuted. What does this tell you? Is it that it's only the republicans that are doing shady dealings, and that the dems are sparkling clean?

So if the south african state capturers never see the inside of a jail cell, does that mean they are innocent?

Here's what DJT is saying, all of Clinton, Obama and Biden are corrupt politicians, and they should have been locked up already. He is literally begging the AG to do so before 03/11, talk about being desperate.

JZee, pay back the money - would it not make sense to first trace/find the money, and then prosecute him. I am not defending him either. Interpol can investigate whom ever they want internationally, this is being done arse about face. If it does exist, sure it will come out into the light?

bayern wrote:

Lionel wrote: Ok, so Trump is the dictator?? Mmm...who was THE most hounded president in the history of America?

The deep state, aka the swamp, threw the kitchen sink at him (CIA, FBI, NSA, DOJ, MSM, Hollywood etc), he is still standing strong!

4 more years

It doesn't bother me who wins this election - i do believe Trump will have many legal battles when he steps away fro the Office, whenever that is. I also don't have a problem who gets found guilty and jailed, be it Clinton, Obama or Biden, they are innocent until proven guilty. Comey is also roaming free, not sure what has been proven against him as yet.

Correct, innocent until proven guilty. That goes for DJT as well. And as long as the law is equally applied. I personally, do not believe that it was the case in the USA.

I eagerly await the Durham report.

bayern wrote:

Lionel wrote:

bayern wrote:

Lionel wrote:

bayern wrote:

TNaicker wrote: @Magi...I won't say anything about DJT or the elections but I want some of the fellow Clanners to educate themselves...

H1N1
WHO lab confirmed deaths worldwide = 18449
Lab confirmed US deaths = 12469

So US deaths were 67.58% of total deaths

Chinese coronavirus
deaths worldwide = 1156014
USA covid-related deaths = 230085

So US covid-related (not solely) deaths are 19.9% of total deaths

Which is better / worse? You can (mis)use information as one chooses to push whatever narrative you want...

TN, with all due respect, you are tilting at windmills trying to convince the Trump supporters to educate themselves. Surprised no one has asked you to provide your source, and even when you do, they'd probably say it's what the liberal media want you to believe. The nonsense Trump spews is not incorrect, it's down-right wrong, yet the supporters just lap it up. Amazing the Trump supporters will not acknowledge the play-book is exactly as he used in 2016 against Clinton, the e mails. Now he has shifted to Biden's son and the e mails again, but not only that, Trump wants Biden, Clinton and Obama all locked up, as we speak, to the extent that he is turning on his own AG for not doing this soon enough. History has shown us this is what dictators do, punish those who disagree with them.

Bayern, I think you missed TN point altogether. I've understood TN's point fully, i take by the lack of any dispute to his statistics, Trump supporters are agreeing?

The play book is the same, because the evidence is the same....corruption. Hillary did scrub and bleach her server. Fact. I'm sure she did that just for the sake of doing it, right? Corruption is the allegation, if it were true, why isn't she behind bars? Trump is pushing to have her jailed, together with Obama, and Joe Biden. Never forget, it is Trump's appointed AG, who apparently can do as he pleases, but is not - there's got to be a reason?

Hunter is in the spotlight over this laptop issue. It potentially has huge ramifications, if true. Should DJT just ignore it? Should the American's just ignore it?

You are spot on regarding dictators. Look what they did to DJT. They were screaming impeachment since before he even took office. They "spied" on him. They got a FISA warrant out of questionable evidence. Even Comey admitted to that. He called it "sloppy". These are all facts. How many republicans ended up prosecuted vs democrats? Ask your self, "why?" Lionel, i am not wrong, Trump did get impeached, he wasn't removed from office. Are suggesting the has not impeached, it's just a figment of our imagination? He couldn't be impeached before he became the President, that's just impossible. Quite a few of his former colleagues and inner circle were prosecuted, i posted that earlier on this thread - answer your own question, sir, how many Democrats were prosecuted for corruption? The FISA warrant or Steele dossier, who is doing time as a result of those fake reports. We aware some arbitrary pen-pusher admitted to changing a document, and will be prosecuted, if not already doing time. FBI agent, Peter Strzok, where is he in all this sordid mess - not in jail, i can assure you.

The MSM is by the large part, democratic.
Hollywood is democratic.
Music industry is by the large part, democratic.
Colleges.
Big tech.
etc
etc...

Make no mistake about it, the democrats are NOT the resistance.

Bayern, the question of republic vs democrat prosecution scorecard was rhetorical. We all know that, so far, apart from the lawyer recently, only republicans are being prosecuted. What does this tell you? Is it that it's only the republicans that are doing shady dealings, and that the dems are sparkling clean?

So if the south african state capturers never see the inside of a jail cell, does that mean they are innocent?

Here's what DJT is saying, all of Clinton, Obama and Biden are corrupt politicians, and they should have been locked up already. He is literally begging the AG to do so before 03/11, talk about being desperate.

JZee, pay back the money - would it not make sense to first trace/find the money, and then prosecute him. I am not defending him either. Interpol can investigate whom ever they want internationally, this is being done arse about face. If it does exist, sure it will come out into the light?

Bayern, it will be almost impossible to find the money, without convicting them, and getting access to all their information. Take Bernie Madoff, as an example. They only located about 70% of the money, 10 years on.

Thankfully, Bernie is safely being taken care of by the government.

Lionel wrote:

bayern wrote:

Lionel wrote: Ok, so Trump is the dictator?? Mmm...who was THE most hounded president in the history of America?

The deep state, aka the swamp, threw the kitchen sink at him (CIA, FBI, NSA, DOJ, MSM, Hollywood etc), he is still standing strong!

4 more years

It doesn't bother me who wins this election - i do believe Trump will have many legal battles when he steps away fro the Office, whenever that is. I also don't have a problem who gets found guilty and jailed, be it Clinton, Obama or Biden, they are innocent until proven guilty. Comey is also roaming free, not sure what has been proven against him as yet.

Correct, innocent until proven guilty. That goes for DJT as well. And as long as the law is equally applied. I personally, do not believe that it was the case in the USA.

I eagerly await the Durham report.

Lionel, you talking from an emotional perspective, NOBODY has criminally prosecuted Trump as yet, for whatever allegations have been made against him. Those indictments will come once he steps out of office. The Law has not been applied as yet in respect of DJT, so how can you states it's not being applied equally? I also eager await the Durham report, which is going to be a nothing burger.

Lionel wrote:

bayern wrote:

Lionel wrote:

bayern wrote:

Lionel wrote:

bayern wrote:

TNaicker wrote: @Magi...I won't say anything about DJT or the elections but I want some of the fellow Clanners to educate themselves...

H1N1
WHO lab confirmed deaths worldwide = 18449
Lab confirmed US deaths = 12469

So US deaths were 67.58% of total deaths

Chinese coronavirus
deaths worldwide = 1156014
USA covid-related deaths = 230085

So US covid-related (not solely) deaths are 19.9% of total deaths

Which is better / worse? You can (mis)use information as one chooses to push whatever narrative you want...

TN, with all due respect, you are tilting at windmills trying to convince the Trump supporters to educate themselves. Surprised no one has asked you to provide your source, and even when you do, they'd probably say it's what the liberal media want you to believe. The nonsense Trump spews is not incorrect, it's down-right wrong, yet the supporters just lap it up. Amazing the Trump supporters will not acknowledge the play-book is exactly as he used in 2016 against Clinton, the e mails. Now he has shifted to Biden's son and the e mails again, but not only that, Trump wants Biden, Clinton and Obama all locked up, as we speak, to the extent that he is turning on his own AG for not doing this soon enough. History has shown us this is what dictators do, punish those who disagree with them.

Bayern, I think you missed TN point altogether. I've understood TN's point fully, i take by the lack of any dispute to his statistics, Trump supporters are agreeing?

The play book is the same, because the evidence is the same....corruption. Hillary did scrub and bleach her server. Fact. I'm sure she did that just for the sake of doing it, right? Corruption is the allegation, if it were true, why isn't she behind bars? Trump is pushing to have her jailed, together with Obama, and Joe Biden. Never forget, it is Trump's appointed AG, who apparently can do as he pleases, but is not - there's got to be a reason?

Hunter is in the spotlight over this laptop issue. It potentially has huge ramifications, if true. Should DJT just ignore it? Should the American's just ignore it?

You are spot on regarding dictators. Look what they did to DJT. They were screaming impeachment since before he even took office. They "spied" on him. They got a FISA warrant out of questionable evidence. Even Comey admitted to that. He called it "sloppy". These are all facts. How many republicans ended up prosecuted vs democrats? Ask your self, "why?" Lionel, i am not wrong, Trump did get impeached, he wasn't removed from office. Are suggesting the has not impeached, it's just a figment of our imagination? He couldn't be impeached before he became the President, that's just impossible. Quite a few of his former colleagues and inner circle were prosecuted, i posted that earlier on this thread - answer your own question, sir, how many Democrats were prosecuted for corruption? The FISA warrant or Steele dossier, who is doing time as a result of those fake reports. We aware some arbitrary pen-pusher admitted to changing a document, and will be prosecuted, if not already doing time. FBI agent, Peter Strzok, where is he in all this sordid mess - not in jail, i can assure you.

The MSM is by the large part, democratic.
Hollywood is democratic.
Music industry is by the large part, democratic.
Colleges.
Big tech.
etc
etc...

Make no mistake about it, the democrats are NOT the resistance.

Bayern, the question of republic vs democrat prosecution scorecard was rhetorical. We all know that, so far, apart from the lawyer recently, only republicans are being prosecuted. What does this tell you? Is it that it's only the republicans that are doing shady dealings, and that the dems are sparkling clean?

So if the south african state capturers never see the inside of a jail cell, does that mean they are innocent?

Here's what DJT is saying, all of Clinton, Obama and Biden are corrupt politicians, and they should have been locked up already. He is literally begging the AG to do so before 03/11, talk about being desperate.

JZee, pay back the money - would it not make sense to first trace/find the money, and then prosecute him. I am not defending him either. Interpol can investigate whom ever they want internationally, this is being done arse about face. If it does exist, sure it will come out into the light?

Bayern, it will be almost impossible to find the money, without convicting them, and getting access to all their information. Take Bernie Madoff, as an example. They only located about 70% of the money, 10 years on.

Thankfully, Bernie is safely being taken care of by the government.

Lionel, Bernie "Made-off" with other peoples cash, admitted under oath to his wrong doing. In criminal law you need less that 0.5% evidence of wrong doing, provided it is proven beyond reasonable doubt. Just find part of the millions or billions that JZee (supposedly) received, and voila.

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