USA next President Donald or Joe?

50 cents, the rapper comes out in support of Trump.
White liberals bash him, because he is not supposed to think for himself. Black people must vote for who their white masters tell them who to vote for.

Victor wrote: Questioned today on how he would have gone about dealing with virus if he could go back, his answer “not much” 221k dead and that’s what he comes up with. Disgraceful.

Check the facts ... do the maths ... and use your brain for yourself. Infections and deaths the USA is no different to the rest of the world...fatality rate just below 2.95% ...and this is for the 3rd most obese nation in the world...and for your information Victor...Obesity is a co-morbidity for COVID which makes it more dangerous to the individual.

But never mind, omnipotent (look the word up Victor) Trump is responsible :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

@Magi...I won't say anything about DJT or the elections but I want some of the fellow Clanners to educate themselves...

H1N1
WHO lab confirmed deaths worldwide = 18449
Lab confirmed US deaths = 12469

So US deaths were 67.58% of total deaths

Chinese coronavirus
deaths worldwide = 1156014
USA covid-related deaths = 230085

So US covid-related (not solely) deaths are 19.9% of total deaths

Which is better / worse? You can (mis)use information as one chooses to push whatever narrative you want...

TNaicker wrote: @Magi...I won't say anything about DJT or the elections but I want some of the fellow Clanners to educate themselves...

H1N1
WHO lab confirmed deaths worldwide = 18449
Lab confirmed US deaths = 12469

So US deaths were 67.58% of total deaths

Chinese coronavirus
deaths worldwide = 1156014
USA covid-related deaths = 230085

So US covid-related (not solely) deaths are 19.9% of total deaths

Which is better / worse? You can (mis)use information as one chooses to push whatever narrative you want...

TN, with all due respect, you are tilting at windmills trying to convince the Trump supporters to educate themselves. Surprised no one has asked you to provide your source, and even when you do, they'd probably say it's what the liberal media want you to believe. The nonsense Trump spews is not incorrect, it's down-right wrong, yet the supporters just lap it up. Amazing the Trump supporters will not acknowledge the play-book is exactly as he used in 2016 against Clinton, the e mails. Now he has shifted to Biden's son and the e mails again, but not only that, Trump wants Biden, Clinton and Obama all locked up, as we speak, to the extent that he is turning on his own AG for not doing this soon enough. History has shown us this is what dictators do, punish those who disagree with them.

If anything

Joe is difficult to get 5/10 and Donald easier to get 2/1

bayern wrote:

TNaicker wrote: @Magi...I won't say anything about DJT or the elections but I want some of the fellow Clanners to educate themselves...

H1N1
WHO lab confirmed deaths worldwide = 18449
Lab confirmed US deaths = 12469

So US deaths were 67.58% of total deaths

Chinese coronavirus
deaths worldwide = 1156014
USA covid-related deaths = 230085

So US covid-related (not solely) deaths are 19.9% of total deaths

Which is better / worse? You can (mis)use information as one chooses to push whatever narrative you want...

TN, with all due respect, you are tilting at windmills trying to convince the Trump supporters to educate themselves. Surprised no one has asked you to provide your source, and even when you do, they'd probably say it's what the liberal media want you to believe. The nonsense Trump spews is not incorrect, it's down-right wrong, yet the supporters just lap it up. Amazing the Trump supporters will not acknowledge the play-book is exactly as he used in 2016 against Clinton, the e mails. Now he has shifted to Biden's son and the e mails again, but not only that, Trump wants Biden, Clinton and Obama all locked up, as we speak, to the extent that he is turning on his own AG for not doing this soon enough. History has shown us this is what dictators do, punish those who disagree with them.

Bayern, I think you missed TN point altogether.

The play book is the same, because the evidence is the same....corruption. Hillary did scrub and bleach her server. Fact. I'm sure she did that just for the sake of doing it, right?

Hunter is in the spotlight over this laptop issue. It potentially has huge ramifications, if true. Should DJT just ignore it? Should the American's just ignore it?

You are spot on regarding dictators. Look what they did to DJT. They were screaming impeachment since before he even took office. They "spied" on him. They got a FISA warrant out of questionable evidence. Even Comey admitted to that. He called it "sloppy". These are all facts. How many republicans ended up prosecuted vs democrats? Ask your self, "why?"

The MSM is by the large part, democratic.
Hollywood is democratic.
Music industry is by the large part, democratic.
Colleges.
Big tech.
etc
etc...

Make no mistake about it, the democrats are NOT the resistance.

Lionel wrote:

bayern wrote:

TNaicker wrote: @Magi...I won't say anything about DJT or the elections but I want some of the fellow Clanners to educate themselves...

H1N1
WHO lab confirmed deaths worldwide = 18449
Lab confirmed US deaths = 12469

So US deaths were 67.58% of total deaths

Chinese coronavirus
deaths worldwide = 1156014
USA covid-related deaths = 230085

So US covid-related (not solely) deaths are 19.9% of total deaths

Which is better / worse? You can (mis)use information as one chooses to push whatever narrative you want...

TN, with all due respect, you are tilting at windmills trying to convince the Trump supporters to educate themselves. Surprised no one has asked you to provide your source, and even when you do, they'd probably say it's what the liberal media want you to believe. The nonsense Trump spews is not incorrect, it's down-right wrong, yet the supporters just lap it up. Amazing the Trump supporters will not acknowledge the play-book is exactly as he used in 2016 against Clinton, the e mails. Now he has shifted to Biden's son and the e mails again, but not only that, Trump wants Biden, Clinton and Obama all locked up, as we speak, to the extent that he is turning on his own AG for not doing this soon enough. History has shown us this is what dictators do, punish those who disagree with them.

Bayern, I think you missed TN point altogether. I've understood TN's point fully, i take by the lack of any dispute to his statistics, Trump supporters are agreeing?

The play book is the same, because the evidence is the same....corruption. Hillary did scrub and bleach her server. Fact. I'm sure she did that just for the sake of doing it, right? Corruption is the allegation, if it were true, why isn't she behind bars? Trump is pushing to have her jailed, together with Obama, and Joe Biden. Never forget, it is Trump's appointed AG, who apparently can do as he pleases, but is not - there's got to be a reason?

Hunter is in the spotlight over this laptop issue. It potentially has huge ramifications, if true. Should DJT just ignore it? Should the American's just ignore it?

You are spot on regarding dictators. Look what they did to DJT. They were screaming impeachment since before he even took office. They "spied" on him. They got a FISA warrant out of questionable evidence. Even Comey admitted to that. He called it "sloppy". These are all facts. How many republicans ended up prosecuted vs democrats? Ask your self, "why?" Lionel, i am not wrong, Trump did get impeached, he wasn't removed from office. Are suggesting the has not impeached, it's just a figment of our imagination? He couldn't be impeached before he became the President, that's just impossible. Quite a few of his former colleagues and inner circle were prosecuted, i posted that earlier on this thread - answer your own question, sir, how many Democrats were prosecuted for corruption? The FISA warrant or Steele dossier, who is doing time as a result of those fake reports. We aware some arbitrary pen-pusher admitted to changing a document, and will be prosecuted, if not already doing time. FBI agent, Peter Strzok, where is he in all this sordid mess - not in jail, i can assure you.

The MSM is by the large part, democratic.
Hollywood is democratic.
Music industry is by the large part, democratic.
Colleges.
Big tech.
etc
etc...

Make no mistake about it, the democrats are NOT the resistance.

@bayern...just to clarify...

To summarise:

2008/2009 - H1N1 - US deaths were 67.58% of total worldwide deaths...and these are solely from H1N1 as lab-tested...
2019/2020 - Chinese coronavirus - US deaths are 19.9% of total worldwide deaths...and not all are solely due to the Chinese coronavirus but Covid-related...

So, which administration (if they had the power to do things nationally considering that the US is a federal constitutional republic with wide powers in the hands of governors of states) did better?

At TN...…….…..

The H1N1 Swine Flu epidemic figures were so high in the USA as compared to COVID 19, why ???

Simply put.…………...there was NO OCTOBER 2019 EVENT 201 IN 2008/2009.
Simply put...………...this time there was " inside info ".


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The Event 201

The Event 201 was a high-level pandemic exercise performed on October 18, 2019, in New
York, NY. The exercise illustrated areas where public/private partnerships will be necessary
during the response to a severe pandemic in order to diminish large-scale economic and
societal consequences. Event 201 simulated an outbreak of a novel zoonotic coronavirus
transmitted from bats to pigs to people that eventually becomes efficiently transmissible from
person to person, leading to a severe pandemic.

The Johns Hopkins Center for Health
Security in partnership with the World
Economic Forum and the Bill and
Melinda Gates Foundation hosted Event
201, a high-level pandemic exercise on
October 18, 2019, in New York, NY.
The exercise illustrated areas where
public/private partnerships will be
necessary during the response to a severe
pandemic in order to diminish large-scale
economic and societal consequences.
Event 201 simulated an outbreak of a
novel zoonotic coronavirus transmitted
from bats to pigs to people that eventually
becomes efficiently transmissible from
person to person, leading to a severe
pandemic.
The pathogen and the disease it causes
were modeled largely on SARS, but it is
more transmissible in the community
setting by people with mild symptoms.
There is no possibility of a vaccine being
available in the first year.
There is a fictional antiviral drug that can
help the sick but not significantly limit
spread of the disease.
Since the whole human population is
susceptible, during the initial months of the
pandemic, the cumulative number of cases
increases exponentially, doubling every
week. And as the cases and deaths
accumulate, the economic and societal
consequences become increasingly severe.












2

Recommendations are:
1. Governments, international
organizations, and businesses
should plan now for how essential
corporate capabilities will be
utilized during a large-scale
pandemic.
2. Industry, national governments, and
international organizations should
work together to enhance
internationally held stockpiles of
medical countermeasures to enable
rapid and equitable distribution
during a severe pandemic.
3. Countries, international
organizations, and global
transportation companies should
work together to maintain travel
and trade during severe pandemics.
Travel and trade are essential to the
global economy as well as to
national and even local economies,
and they should be maintained even
in the face of a pandemic.
4. Governments should provide more
resources and support for the
development and surge
manufacturing of vaccines,
therapeutics, and diagnostics that
will be needed during a severe
pandemic.
5. Global business should recognize
the economic burden of pandemics
and fight for stronger
preparedness.
6. International organizations should
prioritize reducing economic
impacts of epidemics and
pandemics.
7. Governments and the private sector
should assign a greater priority to
developing methods to combat mis-
and disinformation prior to the next
pandemic response.

Among the selected “players” as they were
called, was the professor George Fu Gao,
who is director of the Chinese Center for
Disease Control and Prevention since
2017. His specialization includes research
on influenza virus interspecies
transmission (host jump). He is also
interested in virus ecology, especially the
relationship between influenza virus and
migratory birds or live poultry markets and
the bat-derived virus ecology and
molecular biology.
Prof. Gao was joined among others at the
panel by the former Deputy Director of the
CIA during the Obama term, Avril
Haines. She also served as Obama’s
Assistant to the President and Principal
Deputy National Security Advisor.








3

Another of the players at the Gates event
was Rear Admiral Stephen C. Redd,
Director of the Office of Public Health
Preparedness and Response at the Centers
for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

Rounding out the group was Adrian
Thomas, the Vice President of Johnson &
Johnson, the giant medical and
pharmaceutical company. Thomas is
responsible for pandemic preparedness at
J&J including developing vaccines for
Ebola, Dengue Fever, and HIV.

And there was Martin Knuchel, Head of
Crisis, Emergency & Business Continuity
Management, for Lufthansa Group
Airlines. Lufthansa has been one of the
major airlines dramatically cutting flights
during the COVID-19 pandemic crisis.
Bill Gates also made a 2019 Netflix video
which made an imaginary scenario.
The video, part of the “Explained” series,
imagined a wet market in China where live
and dead animals are stacked and a highly
deadly virus erupts that spreads globally.




VACCINES
Inovio Pharmaceuticals of
Pennsylvania received $9 million from
the Gates-backed CEPI, Coalition for
Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, to
develop a vaccine, INO-4800, which is
about to test on humans in April.
They plan on delivering one million doses
by year-end 2020 with existing resources
and capacity. INOVIO Pharmaceuticals,
Inc. announced that it has received a new
$5 million grant from the Bill & Melinda
Gates Foundation to accelerate the testing
and scale-up of CELLECTRA® 3PSP
proprietary smart device for the
intradermal delivery of INO-4800, a
DNA vaccine for COVID-19 disease.
Gates Foundation monies via CEPI are
financing development of a new vaccine
method known as messenger-RNA.
They are co-funding the Cambridge,
Massachusetts biotech company,
Moderna Inc., to develop a vaccine
against the Wuhan novel coronavirus, the
SARS-CoV-2.
Moderna’s other partner is the US National
Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases
(NIAID), a part of the National Institutes
of Health (NIH).







4

Moderna has announced the dosing of the
first participant in a phase 1 study of
mRNA-1273, the company’s mRNA
vaccine candidate against the novel
coronavirus.
The phase 1 study will examine the safety
and immunogenicity of three dose levels of
mRNA-1273 (25, 100, 250 µg) to be given
on a two-dose vaccination schedule, with a
gap of 28 days.
The company intends to have 45 healthy
adults in the early-stage trial, which will be
followed through 12 months after the date
of the second vaccination.
Another biotech company working with
mRNA technology to develop a vaccine
for the COVID-19 is a German company,
CureVac. Since 2015 CureVac has
received money from the Gates Foundation
to develop its own mRNA technology.
The Gates Foundation and related entities
such as CEPI constitute the largest funders
of the WHO. Its current director, Tedros
Adhanom, the first WHO director in
history who is not a medical doctor,
worked for years on HIV with the Gates
Foundation. Tedros Adhanom is one of the
leaders fighting the COVID-19 pandemic.


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TNaicker wrote: @Magi...I won't say anything about DJT or the elections but I want some of the fellow Clanners to educate themselves...

H1N1
WHO lab confirmed deaths worldwide = 18449
Lab confirmed US deaths = 12469

So US deaths were 67.58% of total deaths

Chinese coronavirus
deaths worldwide = 1156014
USA covid-related deaths = 230085

So US covid-related (not solely) deaths are 19.9% of total deaths

Which is better / worse? You can (mis)use information as one chooses to push whatever narrative you want...

TN, deaths as a proportion of cases, or deaths per population? One can skewer this to fit one's narrative, your choice.

This was actual US deaths when compared to actual worldwide deaths...

If the US accounted for 67% of all deaths for one virus and 20% of all deaths for another virus, which administration (given the circumstances and the limitations of the federal government to impose their will nationwide) handled the virus better?

With the Chinese coronavirus (more deaths in the over 65 age groups) being more deadly than H1N1 (more deaths in the under 65 age groups), you would expect there to be more actual cases and deaths but the government's responsiveness must be compared relative to others around the world...
H1N1 - US 4-5% of world population but 67% of deaths (all solely due to the virus)
Chinese coronavirus - US 4% of world population and 20% of deaths (and not all solely due to the virus)