USA next President Donald or Joe?

Seen this already, which was the point i was making regards the betting (earlier). Somewhat surprised this has not taken off on American networks, unless they still sleeping, the calm before the storm, as this was flighted on Aussie television.

Lionel already pointed this out ... Dem owned and Dem propaganda outlets.

Bayern, Joe Biden used his position to get the Ukrainian Attorney General fired ... the very same one who was investigating the Burisma corruption scandal...where Hunter was on the board... This okay by you?

Shortly after that all investigations against Burisma were called off ..... well, serendipitous I assume.



This presentation.... with FACTS ... was to the US Senate

Magi wrote: Seen this already, which was the point i was making regards the betting (earlier). Somewhat surprised this has not taken off on American networks, unless they still sleeping, the calm before the storm, as this was flighted on Aussie television.

Lionel already pointed this out ... Dem owned and Dem propaganda outlets.

Bayern, Joe Biden used his position to get the Ukrainian Attorney General fired ... the very same one who was investigating the Burisma corruption scandal...where Hunter was on the board... This okay by you?

Shortly after that all investigations against Burisma were called off ..... well, serendipitous I assume.

This presentation.... with FACTS ... was to the US Senate

Here is the story coming out of the Ukraine (back then). Sorry for the lengthy read.

On March 29, the Ukrainian Rada finally approved the resignation of Ukraine’s disreputable Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin. He was voted out with an overwhelming majority of 289 votes, including 114 of the 134 deputies of the Poroshenko Bloc. On February 16, Shokin was forced to submit his letter of resignation in connection with the failed vote of no confidence in the government of Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk.

The amazing thing is not that he was sacked but that it has taken so long. President Petro Poroshenko appointed Shokin to the role in February 2015. From the outset, he stood out by causing great damage even to Ukraine’s substandard legal system. Most strikingly, Shokin failed to prosecute any single prominent member of the Yanukovych regime. Nor did he prosecute anyone in the current government.

Shokin skillfully blocked reform. He was in charge of implementing the 2014 law on prosecution, which the European Union had insisted on for years. It aimed to reduce the role of the prosecutors, who were absurdly superior to judges in the Soviet legal system that persisted in post-Soviet Ukraine. The law also involved a reevaluation of all prosecutors with the intention of weeding out corrupt and incompetent prosecutors. Shokin manipulated the process so successfully that the old prosecutors prevailed and minimal renewal occurred.

For these reasons, Shokin has stood out as the most obvious obstacle to judicial reform. US Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt called for his ouster in all but name in a speech last September, and Vice President Joe Biden did so explicitly during his visit to Ukraine last December.

To an outsider, it seems strange that Shokin was allowed to do so much damage for so long, but he has clearly enjoyed Poroshenko’s full confidence and is even godfather to one of Poroshenko’s children.

The reason for the delay became clear today. Minutes before his demise, Shokin sacked Deputy Prosecutor General Davit Sakvarelidze, who has actually fought corruption. Vitaliy Kasko, another young deputy prosecutor general, gave up and resigned in mid-February, understanding that the prosecutor general’s office could not be reformed from within. As a consequence, Shokin has cleansed it from young intruders who want to prosecute wrongdoing. First Deputy Prosecutor General Yuriy Sevruk, a reliable old Shokin hand, has become acting prosecutor general.

The ousters of Sakvarelidze and Kasko are more significant than the long-overdue retirement of the 64-year-old Shokin. These two young prosecutors became famous for arresting the top prosecutor in Kyiv after finding vast amounts of cash, gold, and precious stones in his office. Shokin responded by prosecuting them for this and Kasko just had his assets frozen. Shokin has also instigated a case against a leading anticorruption activist in Kyiv, Vitaliy Shabunin, and the Poroshenko Bloc has expelled two deputies, Mykola Tomenko and Yegor Firsov, from parliament under a controversial law it recently adopted. Their crime was their protests against corruption.

While few will miss Shokin, his belated ouster is unlikely to help the battle against corruption in Ukraine. Instead, a fight against anticorruption activists has been launched. What a sordid story to say the least.

Anders Åslund is a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council and author of “Ukraine: What Went Wrong and How to Fix It.”

bayern wrote:

Lionel wrote: Bayern, agreed. The same standard must be applied unilaterally. That's what democracy is.

If the Trumps kids are proven to be benefiting financial by exploiting their or DJT's position, then throw the book at them. (Hallelujah, we agreeing for the second time in 24 hours, maybe i should visit a casino, my luck appears to be changing.

The fact that Hunter got those positions is not the issue, and no crime has been committed. The question though is, did he exploit his father's VP position, to benefit himself and the company that he represents. How did he exploit his father's position, especially if no crime has been committed? I keeping asking the same question, who appointed him to that position or those Boards? Can tell you, one of the emails from the Ukraine was along the lines, "thanks for giving us the opportunity to meet with your father" - even if they did, what illegal thing took place?

The point about him not being qualified only adds circumstantial evidence supporting the claim that he did exploit the position. If these emails on the laptop prove true, then that represents tangible evidence.

Bayern, luck has nothing to do with it. It's just being objective. I would be very disappointed if it was legitimately proven that Trump knowingly did something illegal. As I said previously...no one is free to choose the consequences of their choices.

Whether or not Hunter exploited his father's position is still to be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. For now the evidence reads like this:

1. Hunter is appointed on the board of that company.
2. He has no experience or qualifications for it.
3. That company is being investigated for corruption.
4. Biden boasts on video that he got the investigator fired.
5. Photos exist of Biden with the execs from that company.
6. Biden said previously he knows nothing of the company that his son is on the board of.
7. This new evidence of meetings being arranged between Biden and the board members.
8. Apparently, there is a lot more information still to be released. This was just the curtain raiser.
9. Biden's did not object against the authenticity of these emails.
10. The MSM is working overtime, even at the expense of senate subpoenas etc, to try to snuff out the story.

All circumstantial for now. It needs investigating. Where's theres smoke...

Lionel wrote:

bayern wrote:

Lionel wrote: Bayern, agreed. The same standard must be applied unilaterally. That's what democracy is.

If the Trumps kids are proven to be benefiting financial by exploiting their or DJT's position, then throw the book at them. (Hallelujah, we agreeing for the second time in 24 hours, maybe i should visit a casino, my luck appears to be changing.

The fact that Hunter got those positions is not the issue, and no crime has been committed. The question though is, did he exploit his father's VP position, to benefit himself and the company that he represents. How did he exploit his father's position, especially if no crime has been committed? I keeping asking the same question, who appointed him to that position or those Boards? Can tell you, one of the emails from the Ukraine was along the lines, "thanks for giving us the opportunity to meet with your father" - even if they did, what illegal thing took place?

The point about him not being qualified only adds circumstantial evidence supporting the claim that he did exploit the position. If these emails on the laptop prove true, then that represents tangible evidence.

Bayern, luck has nothing to do with it. It's just being objective. I would be very disappointed if it was legitimately proven that Trump knowingly did something illegal. As I said previously...no one is free to choose the consequences of their choices.

Whether or not Hunter exploited his father's position is still to be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. For now the evidence reads like this:

1. Hunter is appointed on the board of that company. Again, by whom
2. He has no experience or qualifications for it. Again, what about Trump's daughter, what experience does Ivanka have to hold a Government position
3. That company is being investigated for corruption. What is the outcome of the investigation?
4. Biden boasts on video that he got the investigator fired. The entire Western Alliance wanted the guy dismissed, not just Biden on his own
5. Photos exist of Biden with the execs from that company. I admit to not seeing this, but what does that prove. Do you remember the photos of Trump with the Ukranians, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman. Trump denied knowing these two. Again what does either photo prove, be it Biden or Trump?
6. Biden said previously he knows nothing of the company that his son is on the board of. Is he guilty until proven innocent, or is it the other way round.
7. This new evidence of meetings being arranged between Biden and the board members. Arranged is the operative word, did the meeting take place and what illegaity took place?
8. Apparently, there is a lot more information still to be released. This was just the curtain raiser.
9. Biden's did not object against the authenticity of these emails. Why should they, what is there to hide?
10. The MSM is working overtime, even at the expense of senate subpoenas etc, to try to snuff out the story. Surely not at the direction of the Bidens?

All circumstantial for now. It needs investigating. Where's theres smoke...

Let it play out

bayern wrote:

Lionel wrote:

bayern wrote:

Lionel wrote: Bayern, agreed. The same standard must be applied unilaterally. That's what democracy is.

If the Trumps kids are proven to be benefiting financial by exploiting their or DJT's position, then throw the book at them. (Hallelujah, we agreeing for the second time in 24 hours, maybe i should visit a casino, my luck appears to be changing.

The fact that Hunter got those positions is not the issue, and no crime has been committed. The question though is, did he exploit his father's VP position, to benefit himself and the company that he represents. How did he exploit his father's position, especially if no crime has been committed? I keeping asking the same question, who appointed him to that position or those Boards? Can tell you, one of the emails from the Ukraine was along the lines, "thanks for giving us the opportunity to meet with your father" - even if they did, what illegal thing took place?

The point about him not being qualified only adds circumstantial evidence supporting the claim that he did exploit the position. If these emails on the laptop prove true, then that represents tangible evidence.

Bayern, luck has nothing to do with it. It's just being objective. I would be very disappointed if it was legitimately proven that Trump knowingly did something illegal. As I said previously...no one is free to choose the consequences of their choices.

Whether or not Hunter exploited his father's position is still to be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. For now the evidence reads like this:

1. Hunter is appointed on the board of that company. Again, by whom The company, for now.
2. He has no experience or qualifications for it. Again, what about Trump's daughter, what experience does Ivanka have to hold a Government positionYou don't need a qualification to be an advisor.
She is an exec in Trumps company. He mentored her. Trump knows her capabilities. And Hunter??
3. That company is being investigated for corruption. What is the outcome of the investigation? Investigator got canned
4. Biden boasts on video that he got the investigator fired. The entire Western Alliance wanted the guy dismissed, not just Biden on his ownBut Biden boasted that he deal the killer blow, by with holding funds. Unless he lied?
5. Photos exist of Biden with the execs from that company. I admit to not seeing this, but what does that prove. Do you remember the photos of Trump with the Ukranians, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman. Trump denied knowing these two. Again what does either photo prove, be it Biden or Trump?
6. Biden said previously he knows nothing of the company that his son is on the board of. Is he guilty until proven innocent, or is it the other way round.Innocent first. Thats is why it needs investigating.
7. This new evidence of meetings being arranged between Biden and the board members. Arranged is the operative word, did the meeting take place and what illegaity took place?Same as above
8. Apparently, there is a lot more information still to be released. This was just the curtain raiser.
9. Biden's did not object against the authenticity of these emails. Why should they, what is there to hide?Lets see
10. The MSM is working overtime, even at the expense of senate subpoenas etc, to try to snuff out the story. Surely not at the direction of the Bidens? Then whose?

All circumstantial for now. It needs investigating. Where's theres smoke...

Let it play outAgree again!! Let it play out, and not kill the investigation!

Lionel wrote:

bayern wrote:

Lionel wrote:

bayern wrote:

Lionel wrote: Bayern, agreed. The same standard must be applied unilaterally. That's what democracy is.

If the Trumps kids are proven to be benefiting financial by exploiting their or DJT's position, then throw the book at them. (Hallelujah, we agreeing for the second time in 24 hours, maybe i should visit a casino, my luck appears to be changing.

The fact that Hunter got those positions is not the issue, and no crime has been committed. The question though is, did he exploit his father's VP position, to benefit himself and the company that he represents. How did he exploit his father's position, especially if no crime has been committed? I keeping asking the same question, who appointed him to that position or those Boards? Can tell you, one of the emails from the Ukraine was along the lines, "thanks for giving us the opportunity to meet with your father" - even if they did, what illegal thing took place?

The point about him not being qualified only adds circumstantial evidence supporting the claim that he did exploit the position. If these emails on the laptop prove true, then that represents tangible evidence.

Bayern, luck has nothing to do with it. It's just being objective. I would be very disappointed if it was legitimately proven that Trump knowingly did something illegal. As I said previously...no one is free to choose the consequences of their choices.

Whether or not Hunter exploited his father's position is still to be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. For now the evidence reads like this:

1. Hunter is appointed on the board of that company. Again, by whom The company, for now.
2. He has no experience or qualifications for it. Again, what about Trump's daughter, what experience does Ivanka have to hold a Government positionYou don't need a qualification to be an advisor.
She is an exec in Trumps company. He mentored her. Trump knows her capabilities. And Hunter??
3. That company is being investigated for corruption. What is the outcome of the investigation? Investigator got canned By whom, surely not by Biden?
4. Biden boasts on video that he got the investigator fired. The entire Western Alliance wanted the guy dismissed, not just Biden on his ownBut Biden boasted that he deal the killer blow, by with holding funds. Unless he lied? Because the USA were the biggest contributors, so they carried the most weight in this decision
5. Photos exist of Biden with the execs from that company. I admit to not seeing this, but what does that prove. Do you remember the photos of Trump with the Ukranians, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman. Trump denied knowing these two. Again what does either photo prove, be it Biden or Trump? Lionel, you chose not to answer, or you missed this one?
6. Biden said previously he knows nothing of the company that his son is on the board of. Is he guilty until proven innocent, or is it the other way round.Innocent first. Thats is why it needs investigating. I'm all for it
7. This new evidence of meetings being arranged between Biden and the board members. Arranged is the operative word, did the meeting take place and what illegaity took place?Same as above
8. Apparently, there is a lot more information still to be released. This was just the curtain raiser.
9. Biden's did not object against the authenticity of these emails. Why should they, what is there to hide?Lets see
10. The MSM is working overtime, even at the expense of senate subpoenas etc, to try to snuff out the story. Surely not at the direction of the Bidens? Then whose? Twitter

All circumstantial for now. It needs investigating. Where's theres smoke...

Let it play outAgree again!! Let it play out, and not kill the investigation!

bayern wrote:

Lionel wrote:

bayern wrote:

Lionel wrote:

bayern wrote:

Lionel wrote: Bayern, agreed. The same standard must be applied unilaterally. That's what democracy is.

If the Trumps kids are proven to be benefiting financial by exploiting their or DJT's position, then throw the book at them. (Hallelujah, we agreeing for the second time in 24 hours, maybe i should visit a casino, my luck appears to be changing.

The fact that Hunter got those positions is not the issue, and no crime has been committed. The question though is, did he exploit his father's VP position, to benefit himself and the company that he represents. How did he exploit his father's position, especially if no crime has been committed? I keeping asking the same question, who appointed him to that position or those Boards? Can tell you, one of the emails from the Ukraine was along the lines, "thanks for giving us the opportunity to meet with your father" - even if they did, what illegal thing took place?

The point about him not being qualified only adds circumstantial evidence supporting the claim that he did exploit the position. If these emails on the laptop prove true, then that represents tangible evidence.

Bayern, luck has nothing to do with it. It's just being objective. I would be very disappointed if it was legitimately proven that Trump knowingly did something illegal. As I said previously...no one is free to choose the consequences of their choices.

Whether or not Hunter exploited his father's position is still to be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. For now the evidence reads like this:

1. Hunter is appointed on the board of that company. Again, by whom The company, for now.
2. He has no experience or qualifications for it. Again, what about Trump's daughter, what experience does Ivanka have to hold a Government positionYou don't need a qualification to be an advisor.
She is an exec in Trumps company. He mentored her. Trump knows her capabilities. And Hunter??
3. That company is being investigated for corruption. What is the outcome of the investigation? Investigator got canned By whom, surely not by Biden?
4. Biden boasts on video that he got the investigator fired. The entire Western Alliance wanted the guy dismissed, not just Biden on his ownBut Biden boasted that he deal the killer blow, by with holding funds. Unless he lied? Because the USA were the biggest contributors, so they carried the most weight in this decision
5. Photos exist of Biden with the execs from that company. I admit to not seeing this, but what does that prove. Do you remember the photos of Trump with the Ukranians, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman. Trump denied knowing these two. Again what does either photo prove, be it Biden or Trump? Lionel, you chose not to answer, or you missed this one?But there are no evidence linking DJT to any unlawful dealings with these guys. With Biden now, the evidence is starting to mount.
6. Biden said previously he knows nothing of the company that his son is on the board of. Is he guilty until proven innocent, or is it the other way round.Innocent first. Thats is why it needs investigating. I'm all for itGreat
7. This new evidence of meetings being arranged between Biden and the board members. Arranged is the operative word, did the meeting take place and what illegaity took place?Same as above
8. Apparently, there is a lot more information still to be released. This was just the curtain raiser.
9. Biden's did not object against the authenticity of these emails. Why should they, what is there to hide?Lets see
10. The MSM is working overtime, even at the expense of senate subpoenas etc, to try to snuff out the story. Surely not at the direction of the Bidens? Then whose? Twitter And Facebook. Why do they prefer a democrat?

All circumstantial for now. It needs investigating. Where's theres smoke...

Let it play outAgree again!! Let it play out, and not kill the investigation!

As I said, individually, they issues are nothing to go on. But if you start adding them up, it builds up to probable cause, and worth investigating. IMO

5. Photos exist of Biden with the execs from that company. I admit to not seeing this, but what does that prove. Do you remember the photos of Trump with the Ukranians, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman. Trump denied knowing these two. Again what does either photo prove, be it Biden or Trump? Lionel, you chose not to answer, or you missed this one?But there are no evidence linking DJT to any unlawful dealings with these guys. With Biden now, the evidence is starting to mount.

Lionel, you aware both Lev and Igor were locked-up and denied permission to leave the country? According to the US Law, they cannot prosecute a sitting President, these two poor sods were locked up for violating the campaign finance laws. Their contributions were not made to the Biden campaign, you can work out to whom.

It will be interesting to see what comes from this latest laptop debacle.

Bayern, their trial is in Feb 2021. Innocent until ....

Even if they're guilty, its a giant leap to tie Trump to anything illicit. Millions are poured into usa elections by lots of people. Mark Zuckerberg, for example, was instrumental behind Buttigeigs run.

Lionel wrote: Bayern, their trial is in Feb 2021. Innocent until ....

Even if they're guilty, its a giant leap to tie Trump to anything illicit. Millions are poured into usa elections by lots of people. Mark Zuckerberg, for example, was instrumental behind Buttigeigs run.

You've got to declare who the donor of the funds is, it's not illegal to donate to any candidate.

Look, Bayern, if Djt did wrong, then hold him accountable. Like they tried with the impeachment thing.

Hillary scrubbed servers, deleted 33k emails; Muellers teams had 24 devices wiped clean when the doj wanted it. Reason? Forgotten passwords. Seriously?

Lionel wrote: Look, Bayern, if Djt did wrong, then hold him accountable. Like they tried with the impeachment thing.

Hillary scrubbed servers, deleted 33k emails; Muellers teams had 24 devices wiped clean when the doj wanted it. Reason? Forgotten passwords. Seriously?

I have thrown in the towel on this topic. There is none so deaf as those who will not hear.

For the record, Hunters business partner has flipped and gave 26000 emails to investigators (He is sitting in prison at present). It appears the other partner who is awaiting sentencing may well do the same.

In one email to the Chinese energy company Hunter lays out 'expected remunerations' and part of the email states 'and 10% to be held for the big guy' .... sure Bayern will say and that proves what? Correct, but time will tell ...