USA next President Donald or Joe?

Magi wrote: Lets get to Kamala Harris ....

www.nationalreview.com/corner/kamala-har...bidens-running-mate/

www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/01/wil..._way_to_the_top.html

amgreatness.com/2018/04/21/poontronage-when-kamala-met-willie/

{sigh} insincere and lying seems to be a compliment actually.

Magi wrote: "Well the woman turning their back on Trump is conjecture at this stage..... we see after the election. Just to let you know, i have edited quite a bit of your original post, to get to the questions. I think the Trump campaign have come to the realisation that they need every suburban womens vote, because, depending on which polls you read, Trump is behind in this race. Trump is appealing to suburban women to like him and vote for him, this is factual. It may be a little late for a change in tone after he has openly stated his views on women. He has shown his hand when it comes to women, people of colour. He can't put the tooth paste back in the tube now. Anything he does now, is shear desperation. The numbers may not have dropped off drastically, and you right, let's see after the election.And Bayern, you continue to say 'insincere, lying' in reference to Trump. How you came to that conclusion is unclear in my mind.... what I can say is that if he is what you have labelled him, (Mike, most television channels fact check what the politicians say, allege, especially when they are under scrutiny. Fox News, the channel that openly supports him, never does any fact checking on what Trump says/states. Not only does he make scientific, medical and other very bold assertions, many in his original Cabinet were fired or have left. Not because they did something wrong, because what he is saying is incorrect. In more recent times, why is it we seldom, or never hear from Fauci, Dr. Birx, etc, not because he knows more than them, he is misleading the Nation. You recall when he delivered a speech at the UN (2018), and they laughed at him, because he is the only person who believes what comes out his mouth. A similar thing took place at NATO (2019), but this time it was Trudeau, Boris Johnson and Emmanuel Macron having a laugh at Trump's expense and you hold those traits in such low esteem (unfortunately so...then please label Biden and Kamala for me. (All politicians are liars, some just lie more than others) Would love to see what derogatory adjectives you can apply to those two.

One last thing, i deleted from you original post, the plagiarism issue, there is no patent on it, so if one can inspire people, use it, doesn't make you less smarter. Here's one i think applies to the here and now, quoted by Abraham Lincoln - “Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.” -

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Lionel wrote: Bayern, let me clear. I am not suggesting for a minute that sexual assault is ok or normal.

What I am saying, is that the language he used, whilst offensive and degrading to woman, is not that uncommon amongst men. I'm sure I spoke like that in my foolish youth.

And he did apologize for it.

Lionel, It's not uncommon amongst men, but not all men have said or done that, even in their youth - can we agree on that, because therein lies the fallacy. You are painting all men with the same brush.

My push-back was in response to your answer to Victor, it's sort of nonchalant, "so what?, we all did". The difference is he is saying he "did it/did that (groped/grabbed women between their legs)" - you are saying, you might have spoken about it in your youth.

I am agreeing with Victor, many women who voted for Trump in 2016, have turned on him, for such actions. Would you accept an apology from an insincere lying person like Trump?

Lionel wrote: Bayern, thanks for the dialogue:)

Here's my rebuttal:

1. Diversity: Read his comments again. He is saying that the black community is NOT diverse, i.e. they are all the same. (He's wrong, I'll admit that upfront. Question is, does he still hold that belief?, I'm assuming not, I could be wrong)

2. Poor kids...: Missed the point again Biden, I mean Bayern (sorry). He is implying that all poor kids are black. He only sees blacks as poor. Because of the historical past. The same thing happened here during Apartheid. Did you ever wonder why many Black kids were (say) 17 or 18 years old, and only in Std 5 (Grade 7)? - many worked one year to pay for their schooling, and went to school the following year when the could afford it. Chances are there are many cashiers and floor assistants at Pick N Pay, Shoprite, Woolies, etc, who with funding could be future Doctors, Lawyers, etc. They just unlucky not to have a bursary or a family who can afford the tertiary studies. I'll leave it there.

3. VP accusations: So, as per your statement, Biden has a sordid past. Finally, we agree on something. What we disagree on, is that his past is still in his past.

Lionel wrote:

bayern wrote:

Lionel wrote: Bayern, let me clear. I am not suggesting for a minute that sexual assault is ok or normal.

What I am saying, is that the language he used, whilst offensive and degrading to woman, is not that uncommon amongst men. I'm sure I spoke like that in my foolish youth.

And he did apologize for it.

Lionel, It's not uncommon amongst men, but not all men have said or done that, even in their youth - can we agree on that, because therein lies the fallacy. You are painting all men with the same brush.

My push-back was in response to your answer to Victor, it's sort of nonchalant, "so what?, we all did". The difference is he is saying he "did it/did that (groped/grabbed women between their legs)" - you are saying, you might have spoken about it in your youth.

I am agreeing with Victor, many women who voted for Trump in 2016, have turned on him, for such actions. Would you accept an apology from an insincere lying person like Trump?

Bayern, I never said ALL men...I said most heterosexual men. I obviously do not know EVERY heterosexual man on this planet, so I based on the men I encountered. (You have the polling results to back up your claim, right? Much like a poll....that shows Biden is leading lol. (I can assure you most heterosexual men are not that way inclined, despite what you want to believe. And here you were bragging about winning ()or loosing) a debate/argument in your area with the use of profanity and vulgarity, however keep talking, I'll get to know you soon enough.

Regarding Kamala, let me get this right. (By the way, its a fact that she dated this Brown character, who was married at the time). Its ok for her to sleep with a married man because what she does in her private life is her business, and lots of women do that to further their careers. But it's not ok for Trump? This is the very definition of hypocrisy, Bayern. That's double standards. (I've said i do not have a problem with consensual sex. I care even less whether it's between a married man and unmarried woman, two people of the same sex, you can add to the list, that's their preference and business. The difference with Trump was, he blatantly lied about having sex with the two porn stars, quote, "You'd have to ask Michael (Cohen) about those payments, i don't know anything about that"? Has Kamala Harris denied what you are saying

At least I am admitting what Trump did is wrong. (Only because it has come out into the open, has Trump apologised, why are you apologising for him? He doesn't believe he has done anything wrong. You are condoning her behavior. I'm sure you wont condone that behavior from any family member of yours. (Each to his own Lionel)

Oh, and please go and tell the ladies in your life (grandmother, mother, wife, daughter etc) that it is ok to sleep their ways to the top. I'll bet my life that you won't.

Craig Pienaar wrote: Cant wait for Trump to be declared the winner and all these haters will go back into there shells for another few years

Felix wrote: Do the Guptas not have a say in this election?sorry small fry,wrong country thought I was on ABC(RSA based)

Craig Pienaar wrote: Cant wait for Trump to be declared the winner and all these haters will go back into there shells for another few years