USA next President Donald or Joe?

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Lionel wrote: Americans, welcome to China!

Chances are that the very computer laptop I phone that you have posted your message from was manufactured or has components made in China. You are becoming more and more ridiculous with your pro Trump rhetoric. For your own minds sake give it a rest

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Lionel wrote: Victor, can you name 2 heterosexual males, that never spoke like this?

We are talking about electing him as President, not sainthood. Come on, man.

@ Lionel, Magi and other Trump supporters, this is a classical example of the No True Scotsman fallacy.
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Lionel wrote: Victor, can you name 2 heterosexual males, that never spoke like this?

We are talking about electing him as President, not sainthood. Come on, man.

@ Lionel, Magi and other Trump supporters, this is a classical example of the No True Scotsman fallacy.

Eh, actually Bayern, it's not....

So just to be clear, it's not ok for Trump to say those degrading comments about women, but it's ok for Harris to sleep with a married man who fast tracked her career, and for Biden to say things like, "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man."

What Trump said suggests that he was a womanizer at that time, and saw women as sexual objects. No one is denying that. Look at his wives.

Please fill in the blanks for Biden....

And in case there are any doubts, here are some more:

“Unlike the African-American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly diverse attitudes about different things.”

"Poor kids are just as bright as white kids".

The cherry on the top. His own VP pick accused him of being a racist!

But hey, why let facts get in the way of a good argument?
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Lionel wrote: Victor, can you name 2 heterosexual males, that never spoke like this?

We are talking about electing him as President, not sainthood. Come on, man.

@ Lionel, Magi and other Trump supporters, this is a classical example of the No True Scotsman fallacy.

Eh, actually Bayern, it's not....

So just to be clear, it's not ok for Trump to say those degrading comments about women, but it's ok for Harris to sleep with a married man who fast tracked her career, and for Biden to say things like, "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man."

What Trump said suggests that he was a womanizer at that time, and saw women as sexual objects. No one is denying that. Look at his wives.

Please fill in the blanks for Biden....

And in case there are any doubts, here are some more:

“Unlike the African-American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly diverse attitudes about different things.”

"Poor kids are just as bright as white kids".

The cherry on the top. His own VP pick accused him of being a racist!

But hey, why let facts get in the way of a good argument?

Lionel, you missing the point. If Trump groped your wife, daughter, girl-friend, you'd be okay with that? Most men don't carry on like that, and it doesn't make them lesser of a man - i certainly don't, and i'm proud to admit it.

Your answer to Victor, you don't appear to condemn Trump's actions, judging by your answer, it's a so-what, he not requesting a Sainthood, come on man - however you phrased it. Whilst you don't carry on like that (I'm almost certain of that), you certainly not condemning it either.

What Kamala Harris does in her private life is her business, if what you are alleging is correct, she wasn't the first, and i doubt she will be the last, to fast track her career in that manner.

If Trumps wives are happy having open relationships, that's their thing - chances are if they filed for divorce, they may be deported, his such a twisted somebody. I have nothing against open or swinging relationships, each to his own.
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Bayern, let me clear. I am not suggesting for a minute that sexual assault is ok or normal.

What I am saying, is that the language he used, whilst offensive and degrading to woman, is not that uncommon amongst men. I'm sure I spoke like that in my foolish youth.

And he did apologize for it.

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Lionel wrote: Bayern, let me clear. I am not suggesting for a minute that sexual assault is ok or normal.

What I am saying, is that the language he used, whilst offensive and degrading to woman, is not that uncommon amongst men. I'm sure I spoke like that in my foolish youth.

And he did apologize for it.

Lionel, It's not uncommon amongst men, but not all men have said or done that, even in their youth - can we agree on that, because therein lies the fallacy. You are painting all men with the same brush.

My push-back was in response to your answer to Victor, it's sort of nonchalant, "so what?, we all did". The difference is he is saying he "did it/did that (groped/grabbed women between their legs)" - you are saying, you might have spoken about it in your youth.

I am agreeing with Victor, many women who voted for Trump in 2016, have turned on him, for such actions. Would you accept an apology from an insincere lying person like Trump?
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As i said, trump acknowledged wrong doing, and apologized. Whether or not one accepts it is another story.

Will you please address the Biden issue that i referred to.

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"I am agreeing with Victor, many women who voted for Trump in 2016, have turned on him, for such actions. Would you accept an apology from an insincere lying person like Trump?"

Well the woman turning their back on Trump is conjecture at this stage..... we see after the election. And Bayern, you continue to say 'insincere, lying' in reference to Trump. How you came to that conclusion is unclear in my mind.... what I can say is that if he is what you have labelled him, and you hold those traits in such low esteem...then please label Biden and Kamala for me. Would love to see what derogatory adjectives you can apply to those two.

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7/23/2020
Joe Biden's Plagiarism Problem

Last week, Democrat nominee for president Joe Biden delivered an economic speech under the slogan “Build Back Better.” Despite the radical proposals contained within the speech, that’s some clever branding.
However, Joe Biden didn’t come up with the slogan, the United Nations did. That’s right—Joe Biden and his campaign plagiarized the title directly from a United Nations climate change initiative launched in April. In fact, Biden’s released economic plan seemed eerily similar to President Donald Trump’s “America First” message.

Following these latest incidents, one can’t help but flash back to Biden’s well-documented history of plagiarism, which dates to his first presidential campaign in the summer of 1987, a bid that ended ignominiously amid repeated examples of plagiarism and outright fabrication.

It’s also important to note that he’s been accused of lifting entire sections of speeches from others for his own use without attribution. And of copying, almost word for word, policy platforms of other candidates.

He’s even been caught lying to voters about his academic record. Biden acknowledged that he had plagiarized during his time at Syracuse University Law School. The law school had him repeat a first-year class, after initially flunking him, for copying at least five pages from a published law review article.

Thirty-three years is a long time ago. The problem is that Joe Biden has never really stopped. In 2008, then-Sen. Biden copied an entire paragraph from a Time magazine story on then-newly elected President Lee Myung-Bak of South Korea and used it for a speech, without attribution. Biden had the stolen language read into an official congressional resolution in February 2008.

His problem with copying the work of others is so widespread that a 2019 incident, in which the Biden campaign released a climate plan using exactly the same language as outside left-wing groups, without attribution, barely made news.

The most egregious example, as described by Maureen Dowd when it happened, occurred Aug. 23, 1987, during a debate at the Iowa State Fair. Biden had been lifting entire lines of his stock stump speech from Britain’s then-Labor Party leader, Neil Kinnock, who was campaigning for prime minister across the pond.

“He [Biden] lifted Mr. Kinnock's closing speech with phrases, gestures and lyrical Welsh syntax intact for his own closing speech,” Dowd reported for the New York Times.

As reporters dug deeper, they found more. Biden didn’t just steal Kinnock’s political rhetoric, he appropriated his life story, including a coal mining grandfather. This was worse than it looked: Kinnock’s Welsh grandfather did work in the mines. Biden’s, although he lived in Pennsylvania coal country, sold cars. Did Biden believe that British politics was so removed from Americans’ experience that he could get away with it? Maybe, but if that were the case, Biden wouldn’t have ripped off lines almost directly from John F. Kennedy and his brother, Robert Kennedy.

Referring to the gross national product during a Feb. 3, 1987, speech in California, Biden said, “This standard is not a measure of how we can evaluate the condition of our society. It cannot measure the health of our children, the quality of our education. The joy of their play.” His words closely mirrored those of Robert Kennedy, who said the following during a March 18, 1968 speech in Kansas: “the gross national product does not allow for the health of our children, the quality of their education or the joy of their play.”

On June 9, 1987, when declaring his candidacy, Joe Biden said, “Let us pledge that our generation of Americans will pay any price, bear any burden, accept any challenge, and meet any hardship to secure the blessings of prosperity, and the promise of opportunity, for our children.” Biden’s words were not attributed to President John F. Kennedy, who famously said during his Jan. 20, 1961, inaugural address: “We shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any fall, to assure the survival, and the success of liberty.”

These very specific instances sunk Joe Biden’s chance at being the nominee in 1988. More importantly, these acts of blatant dishonesty highlight some very grave concerns over his integrity and character.

Now, 32 years later, the American people should come to the same conclusion about Joe Biden — he’s nothing more than a 47-year career politician and empty suit, willing to say and do anything to fulfill his personal political ambitions.

But never mind .... I am sure that you will find a way to explain why he is better than Donald Trump

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Lionel wrote: As i said, trump acknowledged wrong doing, and apologized. Whether or not one accepts it is another story.

Will you please address the Biden issue that i referred to.

Lionel, i will respond to this later or tomorrow, i have visitors, i am not dodging your question.
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Lionel wrote: As i said, trump acknowledged wrong doing, and apologized. Whether or not one accepts it is another story.

Will you please address the Biden issue that i referred to.

Lionel, i will respond to this later or tomorrow, i have visitors, i am not dodging your question.

I'm back, visitors gone, whoop whoop. Just had to open another ABC page to i can see your question and not accidental submit on the wrong page.

“Unlike the African-American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly diverse attitudes about different things.” - Aren't we all, that is a fact of life. In the South African context, doesn't matter whether you were classified White, Black, Indian or Coloured, the same principle would apply. Take the Indian community, doesn't matter whether you are Tamil or Hindu, or in Muslim culture, Sunni or Shia, they all incredibly diverse. Hopefully i have understood your question

"Poor kids are just as bright as white kids" Intelligence knows no colour, given the financial support, a kid from a poor or less privilege background can become a brain surgeon. I think you can appreciate from whence this comes, and i don't want to start a racial bun-fight.

The cherry on the top. His own VP pick accused him of being a racist! And rightly so, politics is a very personal thing. I need to show the country why they shouldn't vote for you, and i will bring up your sordid past. Here's what i will say, our moral outlook on fellow humans has changed with the times. You must remember, America, like many countries in the past, Blacks (non-Whites) were not allowed to vote. Next time you view a Trump rally, count the people of colour directly behind him, go through old videos/film, whatever you want to call it.

That's my say Lionel, you are free to disagree.
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Bayern, thanks for the dialogue:)

Here's my rebuttal:

1. Diversity: Read his comments again. He is saying that the black community is NOT diverse, i.e. they are all the same.

2. Poor kids...: Missed the point again Biden, I mean Bayern (sorry). He is implying that all poor kids are black. He only sees blacks as poor.

3. VP accusations: So, as per your statement, Biden has a sordid past. Finally, we agree on something. What we disagree on, is that his past is still in his past.

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