Public hearing into the closure of Arlington..
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Public hearing into the closure of Arlington..
13 years 7 months ago
Is to be held tomorrow...
Attached is the response to an Objection made,will try and find the objection and attch that later..
Is anyone attending?
Viva Arlington
Attached files Response to objection (110912).pdf (351.4 KB)Â
Attached is the response to an Objection made,will try and find the objection and attch that later..
Is anyone attending?
Viva Arlington
Attached files Response to objection (110912).pdf (351.4 KB)Â
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13 years 7 months ago
if this happens, it will be a tradegy
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This is from the official notice:
Notice is hereby given in terms of section 28(1) of the Gambling and Betting Act, 1977 (Eastern Cape) (Act no 5 of 1997)
that public hearings shall be held in respect of applications received for Amendment of Licence Conditions on Friday 21
October 2011 at 11:00 or as soon thereafter as the Board may be heard at the Protea Marine, Summersrand, Port Elizabeth.
Schedule A
Phumelela Gaming and Leisure Limited (Registration Number 1997/16610/06) 14 Turf Club Road, Johannesburg, has
applied to amend Conditions of a Totalisator Licence and a Racecourse Licence.
This notice appeared in the EP Herald on Tuesday 18 October 2011.
Notice is hereby given in terms of section 28(1) of the Gambling and Betting Act, 1977 (Eastern Cape) (Act no 5 of 1997)
that public hearings shall be held in respect of applications received for Amendment of Licence Conditions on Friday 21
October 2011 at 11:00 or as soon thereafter as the Board may be heard at the Protea Marine, Summersrand, Port Elizabeth.
Schedule A
Phumelela Gaming and Leisure Limited (Registration Number 1997/16610/06) 14 Turf Club Road, Johannesburg, has
applied to amend Conditions of a Totalisator Licence and a Racecourse Licence.
This notice appeared in the EP Herald on Tuesday 18 October 2011.
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Good luck today Greg
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Bob, I never put in any objection, but tried to encourage others to have their say. As far as I am
aware the ONLY comment made was the one by Wayne Fouche, a regular punter in PE, who
has no interest in any of the racing structures, but is a concerned member of the public.
Unfortuntely he is out of town and will not be able to attend the hearings. With PE racing
today I also can't attend the hearings, but having been to a number of ECGBB hearings over
the years, including the one 10 years ago in East London when these conditions were imposed
on Phumelela due to my submissions, the Board will be well informed.
Unfortuntely in this case I agree with Phumelela that it makes more sense to improve and
upgrade one race course. As Arlington land may be worth something, the swamp that is
Fairview could never be sold to anyone. So the only option is to upgrade Fairview. But to
ensure that the promises made by Phumelela are not simply pie-in-the-sky, I am hoping that
the ECGBB pin them down to a firm commitment.
It is all very well to say that they will spend R20 million on a "polytrack", but we all know that
when they come to actually do it the cost will have escalated to R40 million, and then when
work starts and they find more problems with drainage and the cost then becomes R60 million
the project may never be completed. But I hope I am wrong!
aware the ONLY comment made was the one by Wayne Fouche, a regular punter in PE, who
has no interest in any of the racing structures, but is a concerned member of the public.
Unfortuntely he is out of town and will not be able to attend the hearings. With PE racing
today I also can't attend the hearings, but having been to a number of ECGBB hearings over
the years, including the one 10 years ago in East London when these conditions were imposed
on Phumelela due to my submissions, the Board will be well informed.
Unfortuntely in this case I agree with Phumelela that it makes more sense to improve and
upgrade one race course. As Arlington land may be worth something, the swamp that is
Fairview could never be sold to anyone. So the only option is to upgrade Fairview. But to
ensure that the promises made by Phumelela are not simply pie-in-the-sky, I am hoping that
the ECGBB pin them down to a firm commitment.
It is all very well to say that they will spend R20 million on a "polytrack", but we all know that
when they come to actually do it the cost will have escalated to R40 million, and then when
work starts and they find more problems with drainage and the cost then becomes R60 million
the project may never be completed. But I hope I am wrong!
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This if from page 64 of the Gambling Review from June this year:
"The problem besetting the horseracing industry goes beyond the immediate economic downturn, and betting on horses (both on-track and off-track) has lost much of its appeal to younger generations of punters faced with an array of gambling opportunities. The industry has sought to counter this through the introduction of new betting products offering odds on sports events, especially soccer. This is clearly a potential growth area in South Africa.
The industry has also sought to modernise racetrack venues, and make them more appealing family destinations. Night racing has also been introduced in many venues."
"Two companies, who, uniquely, have licences to run both the racecourses and the tote betting operations, control the horseracing industry in South Africa. The cost of maintaining and operating the racetracks is increasingly prohibitive, and Phumelela, in particular, would like to be given permission from the provincial regulatory authorities to close some tracks down and increase the number of races held on the remaining tracks"
"The problem besetting the horseracing industry goes beyond the immediate economic downturn, and betting on horses (both on-track and off-track) has lost much of its appeal to younger generations of punters faced with an array of gambling opportunities. The industry has sought to counter this through the introduction of new betting products offering odds on sports events, especially soccer. This is clearly a potential growth area in South Africa.
The industry has also sought to modernise racetrack venues, and make them more appealing family destinations. Night racing has also been introduced in many venues."
"Two companies, who, uniquely, have licences to run both the racecourses and the tote betting operations, control the horseracing industry in South Africa. The cost of maintaining and operating the racetracks is increasingly prohibitive, and Phumelela, in particular, would like to be given permission from the provincial regulatory authorities to close some tracks down and increase the number of races held on the remaining tracks"
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What nearly every racetrack wants these days is to close EVERY racetrack and run virtual races on TV that people bet from home.
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so Phindi Kema is out too?
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Phindi Kema and buying Arlington
From the above article, she has submitted a complaint to the Minister of sport, and that the South African Competition Commission said that it was investigating the complaint received regarding the relationship between Phumelela and Gold Circle.
Sporting Post article on Phindi Kema
Sporting Post is also following this story, link is above.
From the above article, she has submitted a complaint to the Minister of sport, and that the South African Competition Commission said that it was investigating the complaint received regarding the relationship between Phumelela and Gold Circle.
Sporting Post article on Phindi Kema
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@don:
'so Phindi Kema is out too? '
Not really, Phindi's submission to the Minister, together with other representations to him (add to that the cricket debacle!), is prompting him to consider an investigation into the entire horseracing industry. Apparently, he is looking at legal avenues to do so since the presentation to the Parliamentary Monitoring Group was unilaterally cancelled.
In terms of procedure, the PMG could have then formally requested an investigation/enquiry.
'so Phindi Kema is out too? '
Not really, Phindi's submission to the Minister, together with other representations to him (add to that the cricket debacle!), is prompting him to consider an investigation into the entire horseracing industry. Apparently, he is looking at legal avenues to do so since the presentation to the Parliamentary Monitoring Group was unilaterally cancelled.
In terms of procedure, the PMG could have then formally requested an investigation/enquiry.
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13 years 6 months ago
www.sportingpost.co.za/2011/11/24/racing...liament-misinformed/
Last updated on 24 November 2011.
SPECIAL REPORT from John Freeman
I was gob smacked yesterday to receive a report from the public hearings of the Portfolio Committee on Gambling Review Commission’s Report in Parliament. Serial litigant and self-proclaimed head of a non-existent Groom Union, claiming to represent 1000 grooms country-wide, allegedly rambled on for an hour or more about how racing does nothing to help grooms – claiming that our industry has made no attempt at transformation. This man, Simoto, was a regular attendee of the school that I founded at Milnerton 18 years ago. His sole mission there was to try and organise grooms into a union for his own ends. They recognised him as a bad egg. He thought he might make work for himself in the industry by taking membership fees off grooms and failed – he has no members in the Cape, let alone the 1000 he claims to have nationally. After some years of experiencing this man disrupt classes, the grooms and the school saw through his game and showed him the door.
As President of the WP Grooms School Trust I feel insulted at what this man is reported to have said in Parliament – he is a liar and we know all about him. He has launched numerous legal suits, wasting taxpayers’ money with legal representation for nefarious claims against the NHRA, The Grooms Trust, the Racing Operator and his ex-employer – all failed. He is a vexatious litigant and a waste of time. How Parliament could waste their time listening to his rubbish is beyond me. Our Groom’s School Trust has invested 18 years of hard work, over R15m and made massive improvements in the lives of grooms. We have taught them to ride better and the WPOTA, who started work-riders races in the Cape 30 years ago have helped us sponsor a series of races specifically dedicated to black work-riders in the Cape each year. The many grooms that have graduated from our work-rider programmes will testify to the rich rewards they have enjoyed from this programme. We have imported professional teachers from overseas with world-class training aids and programs to enrich their lives for the betterment, not only of the grooms themselves, but to uplift the standard of horse-care in SA. We have encouraged and rewarded their excellence. Grooms names appear in race cards, they are rewarded for the performance of the horses they look after. Their importance in the lives of our horses and as role players in our industry is fully acknowledged – where does this man get his ideas from? He is a charlatan and I hope that he will be exposed again. Has all of the hard work we and so many others in this industry done to enrich the lives of our grooms gone unnoticed? What’s that old adage “let no good deed go unpunished” – so true. Go away, fool.
Then I heard that Parliament also listened to claims of one Phindi Khema, that our industry is a racist male-dominated sport which bars black participation – what a load of hogwash. We don’t need people like this giving us bad press. I personally tried very hard to help this woman make a start in our industry. She stood me up for meetings several times. Despite this, my syndicates and principals gave her R150 000-worth of services to our stallions. She has no idea what it is to run a breeding operation. I wasted my time trying to guide her. She was hell-bent on taking the industry on from the outset. Some hair-brained scheme of a multi-million dollar race meeting on a polo-field for D-Div horses that could never fly and now she claims she was broadsided. After all we did to try and help her, this is the thanks we get.
Last updated on 24 November 2011.
SPECIAL REPORT from John Freeman
I was gob smacked yesterday to receive a report from the public hearings of the Portfolio Committee on Gambling Review Commission’s Report in Parliament. Serial litigant and self-proclaimed head of a non-existent Groom Union, claiming to represent 1000 grooms country-wide, allegedly rambled on for an hour or more about how racing does nothing to help grooms – claiming that our industry has made no attempt at transformation. This man, Simoto, was a regular attendee of the school that I founded at Milnerton 18 years ago. His sole mission there was to try and organise grooms into a union for his own ends. They recognised him as a bad egg. He thought he might make work for himself in the industry by taking membership fees off grooms and failed – he has no members in the Cape, let alone the 1000 he claims to have nationally. After some years of experiencing this man disrupt classes, the grooms and the school saw through his game and showed him the door.
As President of the WP Grooms School Trust I feel insulted at what this man is reported to have said in Parliament – he is a liar and we know all about him. He has launched numerous legal suits, wasting taxpayers’ money with legal representation for nefarious claims against the NHRA, The Grooms Trust, the Racing Operator and his ex-employer – all failed. He is a vexatious litigant and a waste of time. How Parliament could waste their time listening to his rubbish is beyond me. Our Groom’s School Trust has invested 18 years of hard work, over R15m and made massive improvements in the lives of grooms. We have taught them to ride better and the WPOTA, who started work-riders races in the Cape 30 years ago have helped us sponsor a series of races specifically dedicated to black work-riders in the Cape each year. The many grooms that have graduated from our work-rider programmes will testify to the rich rewards they have enjoyed from this programme. We have imported professional teachers from overseas with world-class training aids and programs to enrich their lives for the betterment, not only of the grooms themselves, but to uplift the standard of horse-care in SA. We have encouraged and rewarded their excellence. Grooms names appear in race cards, they are rewarded for the performance of the horses they look after. Their importance in the lives of our horses and as role players in our industry is fully acknowledged – where does this man get his ideas from? He is a charlatan and I hope that he will be exposed again. Has all of the hard work we and so many others in this industry done to enrich the lives of our grooms gone unnoticed? What’s that old adage “let no good deed go unpunished” – so true. Go away, fool.
Then I heard that Parliament also listened to claims of one Phindi Khema, that our industry is a racist male-dominated sport which bars black participation – what a load of hogwash. We don’t need people like this giving us bad press. I personally tried very hard to help this woman make a start in our industry. She stood me up for meetings several times. Despite this, my syndicates and principals gave her R150 000-worth of services to our stallions. She has no idea what it is to run a breeding operation. I wasted my time trying to guide her. She was hell-bent on taking the industry on from the outset. Some hair-brained scheme of a multi-million dollar race meeting on a polo-field for D-Div horses that could never fly and now she claims she was broadsided. After all we did to try and help her, this is the thanks we get.
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Don -Thanks for the input.
Is there an official Grooms union? If there is, whom are they affiliated to?
If not, why not?.
Is there an official Grooms union? If there is, whom are they affiliated to?
If not, why not?.
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