BACK IN THE DAYS

The day I gave up smoking, 1st Saturday February 1989. I promised myself to I would give up the fags if St John's Wood won the Guineas (at Milnerton). He did, start to finish and I kicked the habit for 20 years. (Started again but stopped again in the last year)...

avanza Wrote:

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> Dont mean to throw cold water, cause I love the
> old stories...
> But it shows that the insider trading on ponies
> had always existed and will always exist.
> It's not about the best horse Winning,it's about
> the 'know'. Mostly.
> That is why the game has lost the imagination of
> the masses. Cause they not the dumb @&$) they were
> then.
> The dumb ()?@ &unts still dictate the result till
> most sensible People leave.
> Until the parity and honesty is instilled in
> racing, it will remain a greater gamble than the
> roulette wheel.
>
> Yawn ... Scratch ...

excuse me for asking a dumb question, what insider trading are you talking about?

Great thread this and it brings back many fond memories of my miss spent youth. One of the most exciting that I remember was when punting Rule By The Sword (B Sage) at 33/1 for a small win and lots of places and taking the Dupla, or was it the exacta by then, with Jungle Warrior (Fav) trained by Mr Lerena., sh-t I cannot remember his first name. What a great race with Jungle Warrior winning by a fast dimishing short head from RBTS. Fark I rode RBTS from the Tattersalls in East London, I think my extra weight cost him the race.

Hi Avanza

I just have to reply to ur post wrt to insider trading, roulette wheels, etc.

IMVHO ur post is a lot of hogwash.

Of course there is inside info in Horse Racing wrt the fitness and the well being on the day, but all this and the form is there for everyone to see. Surprise Horses do run to their ability and fitness most of the time. The secret is to identify the ability and/or the potential of a Horse and to gauge it's fitness on the day and then to punt even without inside info (not trading).

I cannot see how this can be compared to dropping a small ball onto a rotating wheel and calculating on where it will end up. I won't even go into the ILLLEGAL side of insider trading.

I agree a fool is born every minute and that is why games of PURE LUCK are so popular today.

Avanza I truely hope ur next bet on a Horses is a winning bet LOL

Racing results have proven to be immensely unreliable when one considers that it can be punted as the intelligent bet. I think the house advantage of a roulette wheel could prove less of an obstruction to profit than second guessing the wellness and preparedness of a race horse.
So back in the days when people were more gullible they fought communists in far off lands, believed politicians and punted horses.
Until the public are convinced of the fairness of their chances when punting a horse, as opposed to the bias insider trading that is legal to those in the know, I don't think that enough fools are available out there to inject fresh interest in horse racing.
In years gone by I heard certain whispers and the results proved to be very accurate. Being in the know helps ones profits immensely. Would you come punt some horses I have trained in my back yard at my race track? So why do you expect me to back yours? At least with a roulette wheel I don't delude myself of my advantage but openly admit my disadvantage.
And btw there is no next bet for me. I like many others eventually realized something was seriously amiss with one too many shaky results.

Interesting thread, I used to spend many hours trying to find a system to beat the casino and without greed and JWB I probably had a high percentage of returns, but the gambling blood kept kicking in and was back to horses.

Avanza each to it's own, I can not sit there in a casino and wait for a number to come up or a card to be dealt and I have absolutely no control.
In horse racing I can use my brain (the little bit I got left because off losing a few brain cells every time I took a drink, according to experts, (should have been moron by now) and make my selections based on my little bit of knowledge.

For me there is Nothing like making a punt and getting the cash on something you decided and selected..

AND THE MEMORIES LAST LONGER JUST LOOK AT THE THREAD AND SEE HOW PEOPLE REMEMBER BIG WINS YEARS LATER.

But then again other people prefer taking a bet at a casino and good for them, there is a place for all of us.

JB, you said it man .... I'm often impressed how people on this site can remember details of bets made years ago.

Me, I forget so easily ... like the time I was on course at Scottsville and "saw" a horse in the parade ring ... couldn't take my eyes off ... it looked magnificent, striding round like a panther.

But when I go through and check the tote board it is something like 14-1. Ah, yes, um, I says, and go back for another look. Still as impressive. Some guys sitting there call to me and ask what am I backing and I says, I don't know but No 12 looks good to me. Still dithering about it though and in the end I decide Nah, its my imagination, it can't be much good at those odds.

In the end it skates home all alone. Funny mix of feelings - half pleased that I could spot a good-un and half cross that I didn't have the nerve to bet on my fancy. But sadly I can't remember the name of the horse itself.

Mavourneen Wrote:

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> JB, you said it man .... I'm often impressed how
> people on this site can remember details of bets
> made years ago.
>
> Me, I forget so easily ... like the time I was on
> course at Scottsville and "saw" a horse in the
> parade ring ... couldn't take my eyes off ... it
> looked magnificent, striding round like a panther.
>
>
> But when I go through and check the tote board it
> is something like 14-1. Ah, yes, um, I says, and
> go back for another look. Still as impressive.
> Some guys sitting there call to me and ask what am
> I backing and I says, I don't know but No 12 looks
> good to me. Still dithering about it though and in
> the end I decide Nah, its my imagination, it can't
> be much good at those odds.
>
> In the end it skates home all alone. Funny mix of
> feelings - half pleased that I could spot a
> good-un and half cross that I didn't have the
> nerve to bet on my fancy. But sadly I can't
> remember the name of the horse itself.

I have learned from past experiences that your gut feel is right most of the time, ( not always) I take many a bet on my gut feel, sometimes I also look at the card and get a feeling and then do not play it and play something else and afterwards my "gut feel" wins then I want to kick myself for chancing my mind.

Break a leg with your punting today

@Avanza

Racing's life blood is the Tote and taxes paid by bookmakers etc the tote take out is done before any race or pool even starts and no matter what the result is the racing operators % is guaranteed, Casino's on the other hand are totally reliant on the fact that their customers must loose in order for them to stay in business , I have yet to see a Casino close done due to being "Stuck Out" even with the HUGE overheads they incur so once you take the time to do the maths and work out just how much that free cup of coffee actually costs I'm am convinced that we will see you back at the races in the not too distant future...till then break a leg

FazzX Wrote:

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> Anytime Baby definitely Frank Aglioti, not sure
> Rock Star - Herman Brown?


herman brown`s wife owned Rock Star, i think she won that race twice.

titch you have missed avanzas point abt the secrecy and non transparency that is preminent in racing in sa ...the operators do very little to correct this situation and racing punters are moving away to other forms partly because of it..iv beaten this drum a million times but they do FCUKAL ABT IT..the latest was vee moodley and before that tried thru craig eudey but it was met with resistance from one of his fellow trainers who until recently was on the main board of gold circle natal....and if thats not a total contadiction from a board member then nothing is... as has been spoken previously on other threads people who work in administering the game havent got a clue they either got their positions thru mates or nepotism and are to scared to hear how to improve the industry as they feel insecure in their jobs...