Stipes at it again...

Happened to me when I picked up the wrong passport by mistake. As it was not a first timer they checked the chip was correct on the computer and allowed the horse to run. If it had been it would have been scratched. I had to produce the passport the next morning to show that vaccs were in order. I got a fine which I did not contest as I had made(an honest) mistake. Should the owner also be punished? If the passsport is not produced within 24hrs and in order, the Trainer and Owner(if he is at fault) must get a huge fine in my books and I will expect that from this incident.

we should hold alternative awards for all the cunts in racing....

The trainer is the appointed agent of the owner............in many industries persons are punished or suffer due to the bad choices or associations that they make...........you choose your "partners"!
Only our brilliant regulators can believe that the financial position of an owner&/or training establishment/relationship is of no concern to them.............is it just me or could that situation lead to "favourable financial arrangements"
So lucky to have our so called regulators protecting the integrity of the industry.

If this isn't an NHA matter,who on earth should be policing it (it is protection against ringers)

A question I have asked for years........if the NHA are not in the pockets of the operators who do they answer to everybody has to answer to someone!.................and what IS their job?

Guys I can understand the Shams frustration in not being paid. The reality of it though is that withholding a passport is in NHRA rules illegal. In bold black type, the 1st general instruction states that the passport must ALWAYS accompany the horse. Everything is now on computer so they would have verified the horses id through the microchip and that is more accurate than normal physical id.

Then the horse should not have been allowed to run. Bottom line. If the trainer hasn't paid, then 9/10 times, it's because the owner hasn't paid him either.

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Owner/Trainer Flash
Owner: Mr J W & Mesdames M A & J Visser

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Flash Harry Wrote:

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> titch the other day i laugh my head off. it may be
> the same horse i dont pay to much attention to
> kimberly. the horse win and the trainer wife thank
> all the partner who are not in the book for
> sending the horse so they race under the lap. a
> few year ago some thing similar happen and calvin
> from the pub at races get the fine for this. i
> wonder if the stipes do some thing?


Flash I heard that as well you dont miss a thing buddy...wish I could say the same about the stipes..

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the culture of non payment is prevalent throughout the industry so what is new....and if people knew who the bad and non payers are THEY WOULD BE SHOCKED ..some of them hero worshipped on this site....3rd world racing industry

From mikedekock.com

The culture of non-payment
September 21, 2010 By admin

Filed on 23 September 2010:

As a firm supporter of and a large investor in the South African racing industry I was disturbed to read a few weeks ago about the issues surrounding bloodstock shipper Brian Roux and his company, BBR. I’m sure most others who earn their living from this industry are just as concerned as I am about the revelations, allegations and mud-slinging in the wake of Roux’s fall from grace.

Having raced abroad often in the last several years I have dealt with Brian on most of my shipments. While some of my patrons and I were also handed a heavy financial blow in the course of this debacle, I must mention that I was witness to a number of BBR chartered flights having to be delayed due to late payments and sometimes non-payments from importers or exporters who shared the flights with us.

In terms of chartered shipping this meant that the owners of those horses that paid their fees and made the flight had to pay in extra on behalf of the non-payers to ensure that the affected flights actually took off. I know that Brian himself had to foot the bill on occasion to ensure that no horses were left behind.

I am not writing this to make a case in defence of BBR. What I do want to say is that I believe Brian when he says that non-payers virtually tipped him ‘’over the top”. He claimed in an article on Racingweb that the liquidators of BBR had a long list of people who owed him huge amounts of money.

I, for one, believe that the list should be sourced and published. I know of at least one serial non-payer whose failure to honour his commitments inconvenienced his chartered flight partners on more than one occasion.

If we are to clean up racing and promote its image, why do we not expose the individuals who have over years have employed non-payment and delayed payment as tactics to their own benefit?

You might argue that it is easy for me to say so as I have financially strong patrons in the yard who pay their bills on time. Still, I can’t picture myself travelling overseas, signing purchase slips for horses and then simply leaving on a return flight without ensuring that the applicable accounts are settled timeously!

I can’t fathom why certain owners, trainers or bloodstock agents commit themselves to deals when they fully well know that there are payment risks involved. It doesn’t make sense, unless they retrieve a weird kind of pleasure from it or, of course, unless they are simply dishonest by nature!

It is not surprising that the same characters who default on their shipping payments are often on the list of defaulters at the TBA. I’m not talking about insignificant amounts of money owed. Year after year the TBA is forced to repossesses a number of horses bought on various sales by unscrupulous bloodstock agent, owners or trainers.

SA racing is faced with a culture of non-payment thatn stretches from the sales ring to the shipper’s yard to the training stable. The problem can be addressed at one of its main roots, the TBA, where buyers’ cards are handed out to people with poor payment records. Uncannily one sees the same individuals raising their hands to expensive lots and chasing other buyers around the ring to false highs.

The result: False prices, false sales results, a stack of unpaid bills and, not to be forgotten, false marketing to the racing world!

I also believe that registered breeders and bloodstock agents should not be allowed to sit on the TBA Council, because inherent in this there are clear conflicts of interest and the potential for sanctioned sales privileges to selected clients.

Ideally the Council should be managed by astute businessmen who have no affiliation to bloodstock agents or breeders, who in turn can have representation to the Council via sub-committees.

There are breeders who are lenient on slow payers as not to lose them as clients.

In this scenario it happens that prices of certain sales lots are overblown by agents or trainers racing with the auctioneer after prior arrangements with the breeder.

If the price goes to a pre-determined high, the breeder lets the lot go. If it doesn’t, he retains the horse and races it in partnership with his cohort – the highest bidder – or another trainer of his choice. As long as he gets the best deal possible under the circumstances prevailing at any particular sale.

A possible solution is for breeders to declare the price they require for their horses before any sale. If the reserve prices are known upfront, the right buyers will come forward with their bids at the right time. Trainers will be able to steer their owners in the right direction when it comes to potential buys, false values will be eliminated and the shenanigans will come to an end.

There is talk in racing circles of transparency here, a new broom there and a page to be turned somewhere else. It’s really all talk though, because if the authorities are serious about the future of the sport they’ll start taking decisive action against the industry’s non-payers.

The TBA and the NHA can make inroads by tightening up on non-payers. Cycles of non-payment start at the sale and the individuals who don’t pay for their horses are invariably the ones who later don’t pay their transport bills, training fees and veterinary accounts.