When is a tipster worth his money?

Is a Tipster worth his money if he gives you tips but the outlay of all his bets are 10k-20k+ per day or what will you say when you paying for tips(info) and and the tipster gives you a the preferred outlay on exotics :
PA 10k +
Pick 6 (small) 32k + ???:S
Pick 6 (big perm) 320k+ ?:S:X



And there is some of them here on abc with chips on their shoulders laughing us all off making us all out as clueless, only proclaiming the big wins and odds but never tell how much they cost their clients with all the losses

Glad that abc dont let these tipsters advertise on abc -D

Dink persoonlik hierdie tipsters voer ons n poep><

Never

their was once i laugh, a "tipster" do what you say and tip the p6 for a huge amount i think about 80 thousand. the p6 arrive but only problem is no winners..... so i say its easy to play on paper if you dont even play your own tips then you dont have to tell me more

No Not Ever

Do your own form studing and price up the fields yourself to identify where you see value. Then read ABC to see if someone mentioned something you may have missed. AND that is all free and better than what 99% will give you. (tu)

shrek Wrote:

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> Do your own form studing and price up the fields
> yourself to identify where you see value. Then
> read ABC to see if someone mentioned something you
> may have missed. AND that is all free and better
> than what 99% will give you. (tu)


couldn't agree more .......

Very tough one to answer IMO Blouperd,

To me a "tipster" is a service to allow others to have advice on the racing for the day in times that:
1) You do not necessarily have the time to do so or:
2) Do not necessarily have the knowledge to do so and therefore literally paying for the service, same as any other service.

Once a person like yourself starts paying for such a service it obviously states that:
1) You either do not feel comfortable in your selections criteria and therefore acquire the service at a fee or
2) more probable you are looking for additional info that you require due to the time you have at hand to make an educated decision and here you are acquiring the services of someone else at a fee to help in the decision making

Ultimately it is still you that make that decision though and therefore you have no-one else to blame for it when that decision does not reap a profit...

The next question is ultimately IMO just as difficult to answer: "Tipster worth his money if he gives you tips but the outlay of all his bets are 10k-20k+ per day "

Ultimately when you are paying for a service you expect the other person to be proficient in what he does. For him to be proficiemt he would like you to show a profit every day in your selecions. Essentially I would not gauge a tipster based on the size of his PA/P6/JP but more on whether that PA/P6/JP results in a profit over time or whether his strikerate of winners/place runners results in a profit over time. The exotics are exactly that : "exotic" and if you prefer to play them you should also be accepting the fact that you like to gamble since the exotics is exactly that - a gamble.. now here comes the crucs for me... say for instance tipster X short selects on his perms and you go out as a consequence then you blame the tipster for going out. If however the tipster long selects and you do not make a profit although you cought the PA/JP/P6 then you still blame him, right ? I strongly believe that every tipster how good or bad he is has the intent to provide you the best information possible to the best of his ability, he is not intentianally out there to give supply you a crap service...IMO ones he becomes a tipster he is out there to imporove eevery day gaining additiona knowledge in his little black book to make the experience for his members a better one each day and in the process growing his subscription base.

Now say you pay pay R500,00 a month for the tips for the month.. that equates to roughly R12,50 a meeting - less than the price of a Computaform @ R20,00 and then you still need to do the form studying.... what do you expect to get out of that R12,50 ?

So IMO you have to ask yourself the reason for paying the R12,50 a day.. is it to become rich soon or is it to help you with your decisionmaking process/structuring or help on something you might have missed and therefore helps you to improve on your choices for the day OR is it just so that you can blame someone for making choices (which are essentially still yours to make ) for when these choices does not constitute a profit?

I have paid for tips before over my 23 years of gambling in the past and of those over the years I believe John Sweet has tought me the most. However through all the years of when his tips did not come it was still always my choice to
1) pay for his tips
2) to place the bet, whichever that bet could be and the buck stops with me.

This leads me to the next question:
How do you structure any/every tipsters selections to have a profitable day? This question becomes harder the less accurate your tipster are and in such instances my advice to you would be find another tipster that saves you the time to study that is worth following and will over time provide you with a good racing experience and on some days will even provide you with a great profit as well. I have learnt over the years that a tipster is only as good as his last selections and unfortunately that is just human nature, the onus though you should very much consider lies with you to be responsible to to do with those selections and to structure your bets since you are ultimately responsible.

So the answer to your question "When is a tipster worth his money" IMHO depends completely on :

YOU

That in my opinion is a good answer Loopy (tu) .... A well thought out form analysis presented to the 'customer' with shortlisted horses in my opinion is worth paying for if it saves one an hour or two of studying. After all my time is worth more than R12.50 per hour to me.

Once the 'preview' has been read then one focus's on the shortlisted horses and make your own call and structure your own bets. To just blindly follow a tipster is leaving yourself open for disappointment...

The Madji Wrote:

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> That in my opinion is a good answer Loopy (tu)
> .... A well thought out form analysis presented to
> the 'customer' with shortlisted horses in my
> opinion is worth paying for if it saves one an
> hour or two of studying. After all my time is
> worth more than R12.50 per hour to me.
>
> Once the 'preview' has been read then one focus's
> on the shortlisted horses and make your own call
> and structure your own bets. To just blindly
> follow a tipster is leaving yourself open for
> disappointment...

You get through a card in an hour :S :S <

I would say atleast 4... to sometimes even 6 ...

That's only R2,00 an hour {shrugs off to fridge for a beer on the way to the unemployment offices down the road }

Used to be a poker mentor back in the day,would gladly pay someone like 2cents ,jack dash or Rob Faux for an hour or two of their time ..

would rather lose than pay a tipster,but paying for tuition nae bother...

Lol Loops....4-6hrs on a crad....shit....i do abt 6-8hrs per card....for big days like saturday....i do a race an hour lol

to answer Blouperd question: simple answer.....when the tipster shows constantly good profits month after month

I used a trainers tipping service once about 5 years back, I smsed the service and waited and waited for the tip to be sent back to me, nothing the whole day then the next morning i received a sms from them with there tip for the day.... The horse had won but talk about being a ARM...() ... I did contact them and they said they would send me a ''free tip'' the following weekend, i'm still waiting...