No Interview Flash...

louisg Wrote:

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> Flash, you miss the point again.....
>
> Here's the scenario - I buy a Var filly for R250 k
> as a yearling. The Owner pays up, all along and
> now, its about a month or so away from running. At
> home, the filly is really fast and working really
> well. OK , you with me so far ?
>
> Now , lets take said Owner and give you two types
> of Owner, for this argument's sake - Owner A - not
> really a Punter. Owner B - A big punter. So, I
> would report to Owner A - "filly working nicely
> now, should run nicely first time in about a
> month's time" To Owner B - same report , but add
> in " should be worth a few Rand on".
>
> But even before I have had the chance to phone the
> Owner, same Owner (and everyone else) hears about
> "Goosen's flying chestnut Var filly" This, surely
> cannot make either Owner happy. Flash, would you
> like to be that Owner ?
>
> Now, before you come back and quote me out of
> context AGAIN, with the "betting blind" story
> about Punters, here's a thing or two -
> 1) Read AGAIN what I said about Punters/info etc
> 2) Your "inside info" stuck more Punters away than
> my silence would have.
> 3) Please dont you make Punters out to be idiots
> and then try and make me look like the guilty
> party. Every Punter would see the betting move for
> the first timer and then follow his/her punting
> instinct/form decision.
> 4) Please explain why it should be YOUR OWN money
> on first. And if it gets beat, who will be the
> first to go public, bleating, "they pulled the
> horse because their price was stolen ? Not you ?
> Not with your "inside info" ?
>
> Without Punters, Racing is gone. I agree, which is
> why I go much more than the extra mile for
> Punters, whenever possible. But the same applies
> to Racing without Owners, Flash ! Which is why
> you should consider them too......


Louis,no need to explain yourself AGAIN

Your spot on,the owner pays the bills.He has a right to know first and if he gives the ok after he has had a bet,then that's he's
prerogative.If I owned a horse and it was punted in before I was on it wouldn't run,simple as.
And don't worry,I've done that before..

Pirates if there were no bookies to begin with there would be no problem. 1 pool would present a true and more efficient market and everyone gets 1 price. There isn't enough kesef in the game and bookies dilute te whole show for trainers, owners and punters! It's blindingly obvious!

saksy there is definitly a place for both bookies and tote you cannot rely and depend on our tote for reasons that been highlighted on here for years...either our bookies have to grow a pair of you know what or as rob faux says open up betfair scenario for all...davetheflower when the book is printed for the racemeeting the floor is open for anyone to back those horses running

Pirates, assuming the tote got their act together and offered a good product, good facilities etc, which is made more difficult because there is a shortage of funding (which imvho bookies are partly to blame for) please can you explain how bookies add anything to the sport other than cause corruption, debt and market distortions? I'm all ears!!

Saksy Wrote:

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> Pirates, assuming the tote got their act together
> and offered a good product, good facilities etc,
> which is made more difficult because there is a
> shortage of funding (which imvho bookies are
> partly to blame for) please can you explain how
> bookies add anything to the sport other than cause
> corruption, debt and market distortions? I'm all
> ears!!


thats not the point as a punter i want fixed odds not the tote product..

louisg you again do not under stand it is no me that is ignorant. when i put my massive bet of 5000/700 the horse is all ready shorten from 10/1 - 13/2 on betting world. what you want i must do phone to here if i can now punt because the owner he is no finish. allso let me say i find it very strange that mr jooste will want to punt hes horse so i think your post is all rubbish. does the owner deserve to have the first bet? off course he do. when i post after place my bet the market is open for more than the day. i think you the one that must under stand.

also louis i say again i no have the attack on you. i am told this horse is the machine so i have the punt. i no say it is imposseble to get beat i say he is good horse. so why you attack me be cause i post what i here i dont under stand.

Are we not overlooking a basic contractual principle here?
In any industry,if I pay a service provider to perform a service,I am the only one entitled to feedback/information in respect of that service.................. (how would you react if your Doctor gave your medical results to the community..........lol)

I question whether a trainer is,in reality,legally entitled to give a feedback report,of a provided service,to anyone other than the payor of the service/training fees without their permission???
(The NHA rules refer to "improper " information to persons other than owners???(No definition of "improper" and I'm not sure the NHA know what to do with it)

pirates Wrote:

interbet for me has
> been a big negative for our bookmaking industry as
> prices shorten with pennys traded on it and IT IS
> BEING MANIPULATED ...bookies of 20 years ago layed
> bets 20 times bigger of what they layed today and
> the prices wouldnt shorten...

This is the most pertinent point that has been made on this site in ages,and it is something that needs to be addressed asap.

The manipulation of prices on Interbet should be investigated by the gambling board.

pirates Wrote:

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> Saksy Wrote:
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> > Pirates, assuming the tote got their act
> together
> > and offered a good product, good facilities
> etc,
> > which is made more difficult because there is a
> > shortage of funding (which imvho bookies are
> > partly to blame for) please can you explain how
> > bookies add anything to the sport other than
> cause
> > corruption, debt and market distortions? I'm
> all
> > ears!!
>
>
> thats not the point as a punter i want fixed odds
> not the tote product..

Agreed ..........I need to know the value of the odds received.............nobody buys shares and gives an instruction to sell on a specific date(similar to the starting time) regardless of price.
I would welcome a "fixed odds" tote (its called a betting exchange :S)...........could that be the key to "getting their act together"?
So far ,the tote shows no sign of giving the punter a reasonable product,as the large take-outs ensure too little value to any reasonable bet.

i agree...interbet is a joke and the worst thingfor racing as it presently stands....but that doesn't mean there is no place for a product like interbet..

take tomorrows 1st race at Fairview as an example...there is R250 available on the second price horse at 4/1...if i take that 1000/250...and leave that column empty ..tomorrow morning u can be rest assured that the horses price will be 33/10....that is bullshit....they must wake up and offer opening lays of R25000 of every horse that would solve the issue of where the money is.....it seems that interbet is the benchmark at the moment for claims...so they must take the initiave and act as a claims board....after the R25000 has been laid then they can readjust...at the moment its a JOKE

Its tired no gambling - no pools - no,stakes . It's your choice buy - punt - and pay your trainer ! WTF gambling is gambling. Long live the pure stuff. Don't like the odds a casino is near by its your choice!