mike de kock says ....

RF. Spot on. Great Guy.(tu)

Craig Eudey Wrote:

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> RF. Spot on. Great Guy.(tu)


small world....

That our gr1 races should not be rated on the same level as international gr1 races,
He used the cape guiness as a example ,in which he said cannot be compared to
the english guiness where a superior bred horse is run

any thoughts

btw this was on winning ways

soodum Wrote:

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> That our gr1 races should not be rated on the same
> level as international gr1 races,
> He used the cape guiness as a example ,in which he
> said cannot be compared to
> the english guiness where a superior bred horse is
> run
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> any thoughts
>
> btw this was on winning ways


He was referring to the merit ratings being increased as per international level after Group 1 wins in SA.

Gummit Wrote:

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> > That our gr1 races should not be rated on the
> same
> > level as international gr1 races,
> > He used the cape guiness as a example ,in which
> he
> > said cannot be compared to
> > the english guiness where a superior bred horse
> is
> > run
> >
> > any thoughts
> >
> > btw this was on winning ways
>
>
> He was referring to the merit ratings being
> increased as per international level after Group 1
> wins in SA.

which indicates our gr1 horses are inferior

soodum Wrote:

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> > > That our gr1 races should not be rated on the
> > same
> > > level as international gr1 races,
> > > He used the cape guiness as a example ,in
> which
> > he
> > > said cannot be compared to
> > > the english guiness where a superior bred
> horse
> > is
> > > run
> > >
> > > any thoughts
> > >
> > > btw this was on winning ways
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> >
> > He was referring to the merit ratings being
> > increased as per international level after Group
> 1
> > wins in SA.
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> which indicates our gr1 horses are inferior


spot on...but we are bullshitting our way in....(tu)

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> > > That our gr1 races should not be rated on the
> > same
> > > level as international gr1 races,
> > > He used the cape guiness as a example ,in
> which
> > he
> > > said cannot be compared to
> > > the english guiness where a superior bred
> horse
> > is
> > > run
> > >
> > > any thoughts
> > >
> > > btw this was on winning ways
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> > He was referring to the merit ratings being
> > increased as per international level after Group
> 1
> > wins in SA.
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> which indicates our gr1 horses are inferior

Our group 1s are only for South African trained horses, international group races you get horses competing from all over the world.

Perhaps Karl Miedema(or someone from Blood Stock Sa) might be able to post the GR 1 international winners that are South African bred(not those whose dam's have landed here in foal). I wonder how many SA horses have been exported and how many have got black type for their mares outside of South Africa.
I do not believe that many of our GR 1 winners will win an International GR 1 in France or England or Ireland (maybe Germany or Italy?). If you follow this logic then all our horses will be overacted as the best set the standard for the rest.
Perhaps the difficulty of getting a horse to another country is also a factor as is the courses and going they face?

Mr H, I've made a little blog that has tried to keep track of the GR performers abroad.

GR1 winners that I've got recorded there (Safracehorse):

Perfect Promise and Dane Julia in Australia
JJ The Jet Plane, Irridescence, and London News in Hong Kong
Jay Peg, Lizard's Desire and Flax in Singapore
Shea Shea and Jay Peg in Dubai
Gypsy's Warning and Crimson Palace in USA

Sabre Wrote:

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> Mr H, I've made a little blog that has tried to
> keep track of the GR performers abroad.
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> GR1 winners that I've got recorded there
> (Safracehorse):
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> Perfect Promise and Dane Julia in Australia
> JJ The Jet Plane, Irridescence, and London News in
> Hong Kong
> Jay Peg, Lizard's Desire and Flax in Singapore
> Shea Shea and Jay Peg in Dubai
> Gypsy's Warning and Crimson Palace in USA

Thank you but unless there are way more that you are missing then I think the results show that we breed good horses but not great horses and the lack of graded winners/ placers in Europe is alarming. So the better local horses suffer because one or two of them might one day place/win in a Gr 1 somewhere in the world other that Europe.

GR winners in England or France:
Soft Falling Rain, Imbongi, King's Gambit, Crimson Palace, Tiza, Captain's Lover

Other GR placed horses in England of France:
Shea Shea, Sweet Sanette, Irridescence, National Colour, J J The Jet Plane, London News, Grand Emporium, Mr Brock

Cerise Cherry in Hong Kong ... a win and two fourths in three races this season including a fourth behind the Japanese wonder-horse Lord Kaneloa in the Gr 1 Longines Sprint Cup.