Lets be NEGATIVE

Frodo Wrote:

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> > why did King of Pain win the challenge ?
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> He won because 'they' finally realized that he is
> at best when going to the front ?

Not really...... think he is versatile.....but he got into a lot of trouble in CT while in the pack and slow paced racing got bumped and bored in several races....this horse has been a fav of mine for a long time....did calculate that he may need the run as a prep for something bigger...
but only the mare seemed to be the other trier in the race.....:

ANOTHER GRADE 1 RACE taken away from the Natal trainers.

Horse wins no trainer or owners on course
Assistant trainer/grooms lead horse in or did I miss sumtng

.....Joey Ramsden cracked an invite to Royal Ascot yesterday.....it was all left for the jock to add the finishing touches.....top owners in Joey's yard with all the faith in Joey even when deputizing.....he may not be back today....so why don't you lay Kingvolt if you think the trainer has to be on the course to crack another big one.....:S

Muhtiman Wrote:

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> .....Joey Ramsden cracked an invite to Royal Ascot
> yesterday.....it was all left for the jock to add
> the finishing touches.....top owners in Joey's
> yard with all the faith in Joey even when
> deputizing.....he may not be back today....so why
> don't you lay Kingvolt if you think the trainer
> has to be on the course to crack another big
> one.....:S

No bad intentions or aspersions on trainer (not aware he was overseas) or owners so lay off the drivel

craig1974 Wrote:

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> Can anyone tell me that if you looked past top 3
> king of pain didn't have good consistent form i
> was so blinded by top 3 never looked

I was NOT worried about the favourite but included it in the P6.
My big play was Beach Beauty.
I that won i catch the P6 even if it was only 10%

craig1974 Wrote:

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> Can anyone tell me that if you looked past top 3
> king of pain didn't have good consistent form i
> was so blinded by top 3 never looked

You not the only one buddy - I didn't even look at KOP:(

Neven777 Wrote:

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> > Can anyone tell me that if you looked past top
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> > king of pain didn't have good consistent form i
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> You not the only one buddy - I didn't even look at
> KOP:(

That's the problem with big race meetings, I for one tend to gloss over a race on the assumption the horse with the big reputation will win the race, so when the bomb drops, it's the dumbfounded feeling - the "how could that win", even page through the race again just to make certain it was carded. Yet, time permitting, if we went through the card, we'd also find one or two of those bombs - I just get mentally tired and say to hell with it, I've either made some money or I'm clean out at the latter stages of a meeting.

royal president Wrote:

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> KoP had beaten his rivals previously so it panned
> out again ystday
> Open for debate as I may b wrong but was on course
> ystday n the general view was dat Yorker was
> gettin a prep run for the July: BB won't run in da
> July: CTN avoidin to carry a burden in the July n
> hence ran accordingly.
> Debated issue Did the form horses run slightly
> below par because of the July weights?

You sure I don't know you buddy ( maybe the same circle of friends) cos that's exactly what I heard.

Well, the Winning Form did warn us "... upon closer inspection it becomes evident that there could be a serious lack of a solid gallop that could harm the chances of a few top sorts". And as for King Of Pain "Blinkers made a big difference last time, slow pace won't be an issue...". King of Pain was also coming from a 16 week rest. Blinkers and rest, imo, are variables for a horse to run handy or set the pace.

Joey Ramsdened all weekend ()

Muhtiman Wrote:

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> > > why did King of Pain win the challenge ?
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> > He won because 'they' finally realized that he
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> > at best when going to the front ?
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> Not really...... think he is versatile.....but he
> got into a lot of trouble in CT while in the pack
> and slow paced racing got bumped and bored in
> several races....this horse has been a fav of mine
> for a long time....did calculate that he may need
> the run as a prep for something bigger...
> but only the mare seemed to be the other trier in
> the race.....:

Imvho I also believe that blinkers make no difference to this horse as I watched all of his runs to see how he travels.....he is not an easy ride and needs to be worked on throughout the race.....on Saturday he had to be bustled and worked on to stay up front even at a crawl....
a great ride from a hard working jock finally paid off.....even if the majority of the field seemed to be saving something for another day....:

I know this was discussed under another thread.....but it will be interesting to see how the handicappers review this race and what KOP gets for beating some of his better rivals....:S