National 2yo Sale

shrek wrote: Looking at lot 399, what has happened to Hashtagyolo?

....WITHDRAWN....

Muhtiman wrote: .....not another plug for Heversham....although they do need it.... as many pooh pooh them for being in a very unfashionable neck of the woods and in the past have never marketed themselves properly....I saw their stallion day flighted on TT and was really impressed....and while cooing over the Chestnut Rock...some one asked them to pull out their colt by Querari....but before he came out we were told that he is a Ferrari....got a commentary of how he would exit.... and what he would display....I cautioned and said be careful these youngsters can be unpredictable and contrary to what you say....he bolted out ...proud as can be... just as we'd been told he would be....he strode like a dressage champion and had that look of a speed machine....and that eye of eagles ....I have hardly ever seen....was told the only problem was to get him back in the box....because all he wants to do is prance and show off his good looks..... :blink:

What lot?

...lot 273 .... ....this chap trots like a meneer....has a self awareness seldom seen in young horses....his ped suggests that he may...get a fair bit of ground....he is substantial in size and will
come on early....

Interesting to read that this sale offers "horses that will potentially race sooner" with absolutely no facts to indicate that this statement is even marginally true. Understand that I am not trying to just be negative, rather I believe that this statement is where the nonsense for owners start. When someone is lead to believe something and in general or factually turns out to be more than 50% of the time untrue then people get upset.

Why not just take the last two years of the 2yr old sale and show the percentage of horses that ran as two year olds as well as winners and places in comparison to the horses sold. Give owners a clear picture of the percentages and risks so that they know going into the sale. Stop with the 5 or so top performers over three years from a batch of 900 horses sold insinuating that there is more success than meets the eye, unless 0.9% is considered success.

Every racehorse purchase is a gamble and when taking a gamble the upfront facts help to limit the emotional frustration and anger later on.

"This one should come early"....... short coupled and I hope it can run with those short legs
"this is a classic sort"........I hope this cart horse can get his feet out of the way of his body
"showing ability but will need further"........when are they introducing 4000m races for 2yr olds

....TS as you know buying and getting involved with bloodstock is a proverbial minefield.... :blink: however for the uninitiated is is far more scary....you have been fortunate in that you eventually found a more transparent horseman aided by an exceptional horsewoman that imo really know what they are doing .....and thus have a higher success rate than others....I do not as I have done here openly plug for breeders....because I believe that the art of getting a better deal....is to avoid the breeder and agents that hype them the big sales spiel.....now we know that there is something at every sale that somehow is going to be a potential star....so it not very clever to give any sale a big miss....the logic of having a 2yr old sale later in the year is to allow those supposed late bloomers to furnish and grow as they may have been under developed and did not meet certain criteria to make it to the yearling events....statistics can also mean the square root of f@ckall(said I would use it) in trying to pinpoint a degree of success because there will always be very few horses no matter how they are conformed and bred that become champions and the rest mediocre to un racable ....what sales marketing people are trying to say to the more cash strapped or marginalized potential buyer is buying horses later in the year is a small saving in keep or farm stay.....getting back to this lot I have hyped....I have no financial interest in doing so.... and I dont want to see this vendor stiffed either....I am experimenting to see if I can get some interest and get the sellers value for this rather forward fella....and the reason he is....he was supposed to have gone to the CTS in January and the AHS movement restrictions prevented this....in fact most of this draft were to be on that sale too.... The Querari's are a hot item due to some real crackers very early in his crops so far....this boy may not have been in my sights ...but seeing him tells me a different story.....

.....and if this don't live up to his looks....he is going to be an outstanding dressage candidate...
I have never seen such a poser....the extra time he spent on the farm must have been a longer and more dedicated time for schooling....

Lot 37 1.2 million to Crawford

I have always and will always ask for your input in terms of breeding and scores on live specimens as I respect your knowledge and straight talk. I enjoy that you are able to look past hype and score individuals based on what you see live balanced with what is on the page.

My opinion was based on what the marketing companies approach is and advising maybe a different route. Most racehorse buyers are wanting to gamble but what needs to be clear and upfront is that they can lose all their money & that horse racing success is based on very low percentages of success..... take the chance but know the realities and enjoy the experience of getting horse from a sale to the track. Stay away from the idea that someone must spend 200k and you will have a horse racing in January the next year.....

....TS too true....a big downside you could not get anything at all....and therefore I am going to openly plug what this RacingHub system is trying to achieve.....the ability to spread risk and try and have some fun in the racing experience....the idea instead of lumping your expendable leisure Rand/Dollar/Ringit/Rupee or Pounds etc.... in a single stab....with one product and ancillary support system....is to spread it across several in a portfolio or sorts...weed out your poor or no chance of return early to prevent long term damage and grow investment in the better potential...

....Shot to the Goose....on lot 69....nice grey colt by Soft Falling Rain.... :woohoo:

Tigershark wrote: Interesting to read that this sale offers "horses that will potentially race sooner" with absolutely no facts to indicate that this statement is even marginally true. Understand that I am not trying to just be negative, rather I believe that this statement is where the nonsense for owners start. When someone is lead to believe something and in general or factually turns out to be more than 50% of the time untrue then people get upset.

Why not just take the last two years of the 2yr old sale and show the percentage of horses that ran as two year olds as well as winners and places in comparison to the horses sold. Give owners a clear picture of the percentages and risks so that they know going into the sale. Stop with the 5 or so top performers over three years from a batch of 900 horses sold insinuating that there is more success than meets the eye, unless 0.9% is considered success.

Every racehorse purchase is a gamble and when taking a gamble the upfront facts help to limit the emotional frustration and anger later on.

"This one should come early"....... short coupled and I hope it can run with those short legs
"this is a classic sort"........I hope this cart horse can get his feet out of the way of his body
"showing ability but will need further"........when are they introducing 4000m races for 2yr olds

Imo if 'they' do provide the applicable stats, it will dampen the enthusiasm even more - would like to see percentages of horses from the various sales that end up winning more than one race, or even the % that end up with a rating of 70+ as 3 yr olds :huh:

And of course even 2 wins (except maybe a feature) will not prove profitable over say 2 seasons of racing :ohmy:

I see quite a few members still actively buying