USA next President Donald or Joe?

monty wrote: Monty, the oil drilling rights in Alaska was discussed right now on CNN, not sure whether you saw it, if i stumble on it, i will post it here - interesting to say the least.

Thanks Bayern I did not see it

Monty, not the insert i saw this morning, this was recorded in 2018. In a nutshell, Trump has invited tenders from all the oil companies. The final outcome will be on who wins the Senate race, Republicans, if they win will agree to the exploration, which is Law, Democrats, if they win, will change the Law and prohibit the drilling :-

@bayern thanks watched the video only comment I have is it would be a travesty if this oil exploration and drilling were allowed. I keep seeing the picture of Kiev with the thick oil deposits on the shores and imagine this place in 30 years time. Just hope there are some republican senators that will oppose this. My opinion only that wiith Republicans it might be oil and the large oil and gas companies and with the Democrats it's the arms and large warfare manufacturers so I and both are equally as bad unnessecary wars or accelerated climate change and environmental disasters waiting to happen.

This is really good :-



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bayern wrote: This is really good :-

Just as good :-

Best for last :-

@bayern. Dumb American Best I concede I can't stop. Laughing bloody brilliant

bayern wrote: Listen to what this lady is alleging, her witness would have to prove what happened in Venezuela with the Smartmatic computer, actually took place during the recent American elections. This is coming from intelligent people - wow :-

Zeitgeist must be looking for donors to make a new movie.

Her story is NOT what you want to hear @bayern .... so you dismiss it. The clearly identified 6000 votes in Michigan which were flipped from Trump to Biden .... blamed on a 'computer glitch' .... is that also bullshit?

This is coming from intelligent people - wow :- .... {sigh} .... {meanders off forum....switches off the ligfhts}

The sad thing is that USA political debate has degenerated into primitive tribalism where the truth as a concept or value has been debased, and for many, if not most, its blind adherence to "my tribe right or wrong".

Magi wrote:

bayern wrote: Listen to what this lady is alleging, her witness would have to prove what happened in Venezuela with the Smartmatic computer, actually took place during the recent American elections. This is coming from intelligent people - wow :-

Zeitgeist must be looking for donors to make a new movie.

Her story is NOT what you want to hear @bayern .... so you dismiss it. The clearly identified 6000 votes in Michigan which were flipped from Trump to Biden .... blamed on a 'computer glitch' .... is that also bullshit?

This is coming from intelligent people - wow :- .... {sigh} .... {meanders off forum....switches off the ligfhts}

Listen to what she is saying, she still has to provide evidence of this in Court. Dominion have already debunk what this lady is saying.

Without my usual winding up, I doubt very much that the result will be overturned. Trump should really just concede now instead of causing mayhem

PeterD wrote: The sad thing is that USA political debate has degenerated into primitive tribalism where the truth as a concept or value has been debased, and for many, if not most, its blind adherence to "my tribe right or wrong".

@PeterD...it is the same the world over...we are in the age of the arrogance of ignorance and no respect or tolerance for any view that doesn't align totally with the narrative...this hive mentality / collectivism (ANC is similar) is going to lead to even more disrespect and intolerance as those on the fringes who will always question the status quo and may just get the odd person (who is currently on the inside) to also question the views that they hold...they then have to decide whether to stay in the safety of the hive / collective and be complicit in some very morally or ethically wrong things or take the risk of being on the outside...where it's "cold"...

I asked a question of some of the Clanners about a week ago...still no response...

With the Democrats being so similar to the ANC in policy, word, thought and deed (broad church politics that leads to some schizophrenia - eg. is one for the feminists or the male to female transgenders that compete against the daughters of those feminists and deprive them of achievements, accolades and rewards) and the Republicans being a faulty mix of the Freedom Front, ACDP, UDM and a part of the DA...if there is a less bad to choose from and you are forced to choose, would you take the ANC knowing what their 25+years of misrule has brought? I have my view...maybe I'm getting more conservative as I age and deal with the world as it is rather than how I think it should be...(adaptable) realist rather than idealist...

Sadly, politics is about the less bad rather than the better or best...unenviable situation for voters to be in and that had led to the polar views that cannot be reconciled...

DJT's has accomplished more of his stated manifesto than any president in the last 60+ years...better some-one who walks the talk that everyone knows about than some-one who talks the talk but is duplicitous (BHO, CR7 ??)...
His greatest failing is seen as his handling of the Chinese coronavirus...but even that cannot be solely pinned on him in a federal constitutional republic with wide powers in the hands of the governors and they were very praiseworthy of the federal governments support when they needed it...

And just yesterday I read that the average number of deaths from all causes (including covid 19) in the US has been 236000 / month in the last 9 months...recent historical norm (excluding covid 19) is 238000 / month...so no excess deaths...seems weird but that is what it is...very little coverage given to this but that is to be expected when the prevailing narrative to perpetuate incessantly is that DJT doesn't care and has the blood of 240000+ deaths on his hands...guess even the old age home deaths from Democrat governors decrees are on his hands even though the federal resources provided were available to insulate the spread...

I think what these past 10 months has taught me is to question the narrative put out by the MSM, Hollywood, etc as they have their agendas...read widely and make one's own judgment by analysing the different / contradictory information against one's principles...will get things morally and ethically correct more often than opinion makers than masquerade as journalists / reporters...

And lastly an article on "truth"...make of it what you want but something different to think about...

www.dailywire.com/news/barack-obamas-truth-decay-lie

TN, I have no idea where you get your numbers from, but they’re are wrong. Excess deaths in USA for the 5 month period 1st March to 1st August were about 20%. Ie approx 1.3m total instead of 1.1m. ie an average of 40k excess deaths per month. Results were very different across different states. Approximately 2/3 of these excess deaths were reported as Covid 19 deaths.

It’s not sufficient to judge a person by how much of their manifesto they were able to implement- you also need to ask whether the various items are good or bad.
Hitler did everything that he promised his supporters he would do- hopefully that does not make him someone you would support??
Many of the things Trump did were highly questionable.

Many thanks for reply...

Will try to find link to info I read...

Agree regarding manifesto items...what I was getting at was that he got his stated intentions largely done despite having 2 years of a Democrat controlled House that controls spending measures...

In January 2020, based on the state of the economy, and that is what determines most elections, he was a certainty for re-election...and then the Chinese coronavirus hits the US...and only one person was going to benefit therefrom...the one's in the pocket of the Chinese...

Last week it was the absolute "no fraud", this week it's "no widespread fraud", next week it will be "no fraud sufficient to significantly alter the results" and as the electoral college (only body that elects the POTUS so there is currently no "president-elect") approaches in early to mid December there will be US Supreme Court decisions and not the current state supreme court decisions that are loaded with Democrat appointees...

My problem is with what the Democrats represent...we have lived through ANC misrule for 26 years and sadly they still have majority support because of their policies...social benefits for the poor, lifetime government jobs for the middle classes and tenders for the preneurs that are pre-determined to re-route money to the ANC in the form of "donations" (Democrats, who control the House that determined spending, do something similar with foreign "aid" money)

I'm middle aged now so would like to see better so that my 12 year old daughter lives a better life but the status quo is unlikely to change in the next 15-20 years...the best analogy I can make is we, as a country, are repairing potholes whilst there is a huge sinkhole forming underneath and the sooner that sinkhole appears then the proper people (engineers) will be called in to rebuild bottom up...

We live in a country of no consequence, no efficiency, no pride in doing one's best and striving for the highest common factor...I can do those things in my little enclave but too many have no skin in the game to care about the larger long term implications when survival from one day to the next in the sole priority...their lives have been stolen by the theft, corruption, inefficiency of the last 30+ years...in the end, economics will force a change just as it did with the apartheid government...we'll get to 100% debt:GDP soon and then their will be even more pressure to nationalise the reserve bank so that more money can be printed to fund government excesses and when inflation (which affects the poorest the most) increases sharply that will bring about the changes required...but that 10+ years away...

So, stay safe and healthy and best regards to fellow Clanners...