Kenilworth, Cape Guineas, 19/12

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Re: Kenilworth, Cape Guineas, 19/12

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I can't remember who it was who felt robbed , Mississippi declared tote favourite.This has been manipulated ..Why ?I watched the tote V Carefully until it was CLOSED .The horse Silvanos P was the TOTE FAV ,How did that change is FISHY to say the leastThis is THEFT.I'm sure they will have an explanation for this incident ,as always.Funny how things like these go on and on this game without being challenged .Lock these thieves up and CLEAN THIS GAME .This incident as well as the Mississippi incident is gaining traction on social media .HOPE THE GENERALS ARE CONVENING.
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Re: Kenilworth, Cape Guineas, 19/12

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After Marcus announcement the horse went from 14/10 to 28/10 in minutes as the second fav heavily punted.

Basically impossible for bookie punters to cancel bets on the fav
Exotics all lost.

Tote a hard call but might have been difficult to cancel bets ....?

Just makes it all confusing and leads to more negative press for racing.

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Re: Kenilworth, Cape Guineas, 19/12

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It was public knowledge that Mississippi Burning was scratched from her engagement just ONE WEEK earlier as a result of a swollen hind leg. This must have also set her back from a preparation perspective. Given that scenario she should probably not have run on Saturday (especially as she was trying to prove herself over 1800m) but there had to be doubts she would run to her best form.
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Re: Kenilworth, Cape Guineas, 19/12

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You may be rite Hawk ,but I guess only those high up may know this info.

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Re: Kenilworth, Cape Guineas, 19/12

4 years 8 months ago
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Zietsman Oosthuizen wrote: Shame, just a quick glance and its quite clear , the winner will be knocked with 18 points to a 113 rating ...
The 7th place horse will probably get 8 points penalty
The 10th place horse will probably get 7 points penalty
And the 2nd last horse will get 3 points penalty

Thats if the "guidelines " are followed for the unexposed 3yolds .


And this all in the slowest run guineas in 15 years....

Agreed this was a false run race and hence rating the runners very difficult. There were also a few hard luck stories- for example, Rascallion badly interfered with in the straight and with a clear run might have saved our exotics.
Seeking the Stars appeared not to see out the trip. Malmoos way below form.
One must feel for the connections of Linebacker- has been ultra consistent in the big races and always the bridesmaid.
I think that we must not underestimate the effect of the lockdown on the 3yo form. The interruption has meant that classic contenders have had fewer runs than in a normal year, and so are less exposed resulting in a greater chance of upsets from lightly raced horses improving, especially when going the distance for the first time.
Would have loved to have seen Kommetdieding and Catch 22 in the Guineas to fly the flag for Elusive Fort. Have no doubt they both capable of a Gr1 win.
I still think that there is enormous depth in this year’s crop, and it will turn out to be above average.
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Re: Kenilworth, Cape Guineas, 19/12

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the hawk wrote: It was public knowledge that Mississippi Burning was scratched from her engagement just ONE WEEK earlier as a result of a swollen hind leg. This must have also set her back from a preparation perspective. Given that scenario she should probably not have run on Saturday (especially as she was trying to prove herself over 1800m) but there had to be doubts she would run to her best form.

I agree with above statement and it should have been imperative this information was shared with the racing public/press as many racing scribes still made it an exotic banker.

You could see the price reaction when this information was shared 😷 just the timing was shocking.
IMO
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Re: Kenilworth, Cape Guineas, 19/12

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Pity we not all well-heeled to challenge this through the Court, to obtain a refund. If one does the reasonable man test, and the horse was priced up in the market "bracketed" doubtful starter, no one in their right mind would have knowingly taken a bet on Mississippi Burning, irrespective of that opening price.

Once the information became public knowledge, i have no doubt that both the tote and bookies can advise the number of bets taken on Mississippi Burning - the bookies drifted the horse for a very good reason, it was not a runner and quick and sharp saw the angle to back the then second favourite into favourite, the favourite walked in the betting. The rest is history.

We accept losing is part of gambling, but this was never a gamble on which i had a winning chance - everyone who punted Mississippi Burning had no chance without the race even being run. As someone said, we did our money in cold blood. Whatever ever happened to treating the customers fairly?
Guessing has never been widely acclaimed as a good gambling strategy.
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Re: Kenilworth, Cape Guineas, 19/12

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Ma thir tchods .Full stop

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Re: Kenilworth, Cape Guineas, 19/12

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the hawk wrote: It was public knowledge that Mississippi Burning was scratched from her engagement just ONE WEEK earlier as a result of a swollen hind leg. This must have also set her back from a preparation perspective. Given that scenario she should probably not have run on Saturday (especially as she was trying to prove herself over 1800m) but there had to be doubts she would run to her best form.

There is another issue here- as far as I know, the rule is that if you scratch for vet reasons, you can’t un for 12 days unless you get special permission. How was MB allowed to run 7 days after scratching if she was so obviously not recovered?
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Re: Kenilworth, Cape Guineas, 19/12

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Zietsman Oosthuizen wrote: This cape guineas was definitely one race i was looking forward to and then to see how pathetic race it unfolded to be was a huge disappointment . The winner would have run stone motherless last if they ran in the fillies guineas .... same course , same distance and same penetrometer.... thats how bad it was .... Captain's Ransom would have beaten them by almost 9 lengths if compared.... proper sectional timing needed and stipes should be notified before every race what the insructions from trainer is and intentions of the pilots and proper feedback after every race and consequences proper if not satisfied explanations. The betting public deserve much more information than they getting atm. Be open and be honest and racing will prosper when winning over punters' trust again. False races give false results, that gives false ratings and end up with false perseptions about horses. Basicly every trainer , jockey , operator and nhra official should have a good soulsearching look at oneself and ask yourself ... " Am I doing the best I can to the best of my ability to make racing prosper , be fair and how can i win back the trust of every owner and punter"


The racing post of the year for me and I support and have openly expressed many of these suggestions for years.

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Re: Kenilworth, Cape Guineas, 19/12

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There is another issue here- as far as I know, the rule is that if you scratch for vet reasons, you can’t un for 12 days unless you get special permission. How was MB allowed to run 7 days after scratching if she was so obviously not recovered?


I understand from the NHRA that this was covered in Stipes report. Midweek Kenilworth.

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Re: Kenilworth, Cape Guineas, 19/12

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Horse was cleared by Vet

ADDITIONAL REPORTS

ADDENDUM: MISSISSIPPI BURNING
SATURDAY 12TH DECEMBER 2020 : RACE 2 : WSB THANKS YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT CONDITIONS PLATE (F&M) : 1500M : Ref 242
MISSISSIPPI BURNING was scratched from her race on the 12th December as she was under medication (veterinary certificate received on 11th December). A second veterinary certificate was received on the 14th December stating that this filly is now fit to race. The 8-day suspension was lifted by the NHA veterinary surgeon.
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