Trainers not to be sponsored by bookies

mr hawaii Wrote:

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> Basically they just don't want competion and who
> suffers? The poor punter that must take R1 a place
> on the tote when he can get R1-30 at the
> Bookmakers -


And Mr Hawaii - how much of that R1.30 goes back to racing? It is not even their product!

I completely disagree with the general sentiment of the replies in this thread...
Bookies must not have any dealings with anyone that can influence the result of a race.

Hibs replied to a posting of mine a little back and everybody here needs to go read it...
'go to youtube and search bent racing'

Let us not confuse the general negative sentiment towards Phumelela with what is good for racing. This is the correct thing to do... no jockey, bookmaker, trainer should be lining each others pockets... it could possibly lead towards corruption. Surely common sense must prevail here and we should agree this is a good thing in principle..

I know a lot of people in the industry need the support but this must then surely lead to a greater amount of pressure being applied on Phumelela to start looking after racing and the people that own and train and ride and administer the horses.
Attack the tote... that is the cash cow. Get it to partly and wrestle control from them.

Homer Wrote:

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> mr hawaii Wrote:
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> > Basically they just don't want competion and
> who
> > suffers? The poor punter that must take R1 a
> place
> > on the tote when he can get R1-30 at the
> > Bookmakers -
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> And Mr Hawaii - how much of that R1.30 goes back
> to racing? It is not even their product!


Is Soccer the tote's product? And rugby?
I started punting at the tote 30 plus years ago - Poor service and poor understanding of the client drove me to the Bookies -

Pirates - your call where you bet, BUT if it wasn't for the ego owners you wouldn't be betting on racing! This f&*%ing sport as you call it is in anycase sponsored by the owners, trainers and jockeys. Just try and find out who are the biggest punters in this sport....

Homer would you support Betfair in SA(if they were bound to give a % of turnover to Racing) - My understanding is that they too would not be able to sponsor a trainer

homer im also an owner pal and a punter and until yr mates at phum gold circus get their own house in order i will punt with whom i want when i want...you ego boys must realise you will never close the gap between the cost of a horse and stakes those days are long gone..betfair and plenty other bookmaking firms sponsor racing all over the world but in this country they are shunned...by a country at the bottom end of africa...nobody will tell me where to bet i will go to where i get the best service and deal

Why don't bookies sponsor their punters with a free beer and a meal on race weekends instead of sponsoring trainers/ jockeys. Their attitude is fcuk the punter, he is cash cow.
Bookies with integrity my arse!!

Homer Wrote:

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> Pirates - your call where you bet, BUT if it
> wasn't for the ego owners you wouldn't be betting
> on racing! This f&*%ing sport as you call it is in
> anycase sponsored by the owners, trainers and
> jockeys. Just try and find out who are the biggest
> punters in this sport....


HOMER do you really think the BIGGER PUNTERS place there bets on the tote?

Tero Wrote:

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> Why don't bookies sponsor their punters with a
> free beer and a meal on race weekends instead of
> sponsoring trainers/ jockeys. Their attitude is
> fcuk the punter, he is cash cow.
> Bookies with integrity my arse!!


Are you in Durban Tero? come down to Hollywood Park on Saturday night and have a drink with Hollywood

Racing is an insiders' game.

And, it is perceived as such.

For racing to encourage participation of punters, it must take every step to show that the sport is above board.

Cozy relationships between bookies and participants in racing is sending the opposite message.

People that cannot understand this simply WILL NOT understand this, as they either are insiders themselves or something else that I cannot state without insulting their intelligence.

Flash Harry Wrote:

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> i must agree with the jockey club and god
> almighty, this is the right move to take.
> bookmakers can sponsor the industry by paying the
> correct amount of tax. finish and klaar!

WHAT
You want to give them more to steal.

pirates Wrote:

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> homer im also an owner pal and a punter and until
> yr mates at phum gold circus get their own house
> in order i will punt with whom i want when i
> want...you ego boys must realise you will never
> close the gap between the cost of a horse and
> stakes those days are long gone..betfair and
> plenty other bookmaking firms sponsor racing all
> over the world but in this country they are
> shunned...by a country at the bottom end of
> africa...nobody will tell me where to bet i will
> go to where i get the best service and deal

Pirates - nobody is telling you where to bet - as I said in my previous post. You complain about the gap in stakes and the cost of a horse - this should never be an issue. You buy a horse to enjoy, win that BIG race or what ever your reason. Stakes and the cost of a horse cannot be linked - and am surprised as an owner you have such a strong case for Bookies! They steal from this Industry....