Trainers not to be sponsored by bookies

please barry a lot of your thoughts are archaic about racing ...should bookmakers also be banned from owning horses?should we have 24 hour surveilance that bookies do not talk to any trainers or jockeys?

I want to ban Panama hats from racing they are blaady awful

mr hawaii Wrote:

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> Homer would you support Betfair in SA(if they were
> bound to give a % of turnover to Racing) - My
> understanding is that they too would not be able
> to sponsor a trainer


Betfair are not bookmakers..........they faciltate "person to person" gambling just like the tote.
That was clarified by the recent gambling commission.

gregbucks Wrote:

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> Homer Wrote:
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> > Pirates - your call where you bet, BUT if it
> > wasn't for the ego owners you wouldn't be
> betting
> > on racing! This f&*%ing sport as you call it is
> in
> > anycase sponsored by the owners, trainers and
> > jockeys. Just try and find out who are the
> biggest
> > punters in this sport....
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> HOMER do you really think the BIGGER PUNTERS place
> there bets on the tote?

Gregbucks - No - I don't think these big punters place their bets with the Tote. And this is where the concern is - a lot of 'good' money ends up in the wrong place and very little finds it way back to racing.

hibernia Wrote:

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> Tero Wrote:
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> > Why don't bookies sponsor their punters with a
> > free beer and a meal on race weekends instead
> of
> > sponsoring trainers/ jockeys. Their attitude is
> > fcuk the punter, he is cash cow.
> > Bookies with integrity my arse!!
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> Are you in Durban Tero? come down to Hollywood
> Park on Saturday night and have a drink with
> Hollywood


Thanks Hibs for the offer, I don't live Durban.

homer you want to see stealing then i suggest you do a full survey of the racing industry run by yr heroes phumgold now that to me would be daylight robbery ie racecourses sold for zip money given to finance the grooms disapearing ,and the biggest robbery of the lot dividends payed to shareholders every year and not put back into racing ...remember bookies take major risks and stand horses and plenty have been stuck out whereas the tote are merely a facilitator and take a major chop out of each pool...

Tero Wrote:

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> Why don't bookies sponsor their punters with a
> free beer and a meal on race weekends instead of
> sponsoring trainers/ jockeys. Their attitude is
> fcuk the punter, he is cash cow.
> Bookies with integrity my arse!!


this maybe breaking news to some...but my bookie gives me back ...3% of turnover..and i usually take it in december... i go on holiday with that money....spoke to JEREMY MARSHALL A WHILE AGO about giving an incentive back to his account holders..he is thinking about it...and that incentive will be very well received ..i think...

the only restriction is that they are calculated on bets over even money...he caught onto me..calling the ludicrous bets like 1000/10000 on a soccer match...or rugby match etc...and making an extra R300 on the deal,,,,,,the commision is calulated daily...so there are no conflicts later

Barry Irwin Wrote:

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> Racing is an insiders' game.
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> And, it is perceived as such.
>
> For racing to encourage participation of punters,
> it must take every step to show that the sport is
> above board.
>
> Cozy relationships between bookies and
> participants in racing is sending the opposite
> message.
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> People that cannot understand this simply WILL NOT
> understand this, as they either are insiders
> themselves or something else that I cannot state
> without insulting their intelligence.


Barry do me a favour please next time you are in South Africa take a trip to a few Totes in Gauteng and then go into Keith Ho or Holly Wood and see who treats the customers better - Punters have to beg for betting slips in totes and deal with tellers eating greasy chicken while they take your bets - No toilets, eating facilties etc - Now you arte worried Racing won't grow because new punters might think it's bent?
I'm always amazed when the July comes around and the day trippers walk into the tote and are so lost you know that next year they just won't bother

pirates Wrote:

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> homer you want to see stealing then i suggest you
> do a full survey of the racing industry run by yr
> heroes phumgold now that to me would be daylight
> robbery ie racecourses sold for zip money given to
> finance the grooms disapearing ,and the biggest
> robbery of the lot dividends payed to shareholders
> every year and not put back into racing
> ...remember bookies take major risks and stand
> horses and plenty have been stuck out whereas the
> tote are merely a facilitator and take a major
> chop out of each pool...

Pirates - I am not supporting everything Phum does nor the RA for that matter and have done so in public. The issues you raised stink in my book but to look away or run to alternatives does not exist with me. As you know a big cut of the Tote turnover goes to stakes and to me it makes sense to support them 1st.

Those useless greedy pigs of operators should try and put right in racing what the fcuked up themselves instead of making petty spiteful liitle rulings.

Eastern Cape municipalities are doing a better job than these fcuking clowns

Yeah lets start right at the top as regards conflict of interests...

i agree homer but UNTIL THE BIG WIGS AT PHUM GOLD RAISE THEIR GAME TO THE LEVELS OF THEIR COMPETITION i and many other s will keep away from them..its no use blaming it all on the open bet and waiting for the law to change abt it...they refuse to admit their service and facilities are up to shit...i used to exclusively bet with natal telebetting but stopped 3 years ago and guess what TILL THIS DAY I HAVENT RECIEVED ONE PHONE CALL SAYING HI MR WITZ WHY HAVE YOU STOPPED BETTING WITH US ?in any other NORMAL SERVICE INDUSTRY I WOULD HAVE HAD A CALL A MONTH AFTER NOT BETTING WITH THEM...iv tried to approach the authorities on many issues that punters are not happy with and all i have had is doors closed in my face...iv tried homer but the people who so call run the industry do not care