England v South Africa test series

very good test match and i think a fair result.its now up to england to make the running at lords if they want to level the series and retain there number one status.i just hope we get a full game at lords with no rain interruptions so that the best team may win.
pity this isnt a 5 test match series because at the moment these are the best 2 test teams.

west indies starting to look good with Gayle back in the fold. It would not surprise me if they won the 20/20 wc in september.

Catches win matches... Petersen 182 - 29 = 153 extra runs to SA as a result of Cook's dropped catch

Absolutely Winzip, whatever the result let us hope they get in a full test. I heard that they signed an agreement just before England last toured SA that all series between the two would be of 5 tests in future, didn't last long... didn't even start!!! England apparently have a signed agreement with India to tour every two years, India have the power and the (cor*upt) money, and that screws up a lot of other potential series. Personally I'd rip up that agreement and tell them to go fark themselves < my least favourite test playing nation.

india the only side that will not use the drs. Englander how can you possibly say that had peterson been caught then sa would have scored 153 less. The whole completion of the match would have changed and in all prop Kallis would have scored a ton. Its like these football commentators who say " oh no Rooney has missed a sitter and if he had scored the three chances that he had United would be 5-0 up" If he had taken the first chance then the second chance would not have come about.

chicken 'n chips Wrote:

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> india the only side that will not use the drs.
> Englander how can you possibly say that had
> peterson been caught then sa would have scored 153
> less. The whole completion of the match would have
> changed and in all prop Kallis would have scored a
> ton. Its like these football commentators who say
> " oh no Rooney has missed a sitter and if he had
> scored the three chances that he had United would
> be 5-0 up" If he had taken the first chance then
> the second chance would not have come about.

Just showing the bare facts CnC, would your prefer I say 153 extra runs to Petersen? Any particular occurence changes everything, of course. If Jimmy Anderson had stopped his run up on the first ball of the entire test and gone back and started again then he may have taken a wicket with that first ball and England bowled SA out for under 50. Who knows what would have happened? Kallis may have scored 100, or may have been out the next ball he faced. The point is would England have been happier had Cook taken that catch...? :S Bit of a no brainer! lol

the papers in the morning will say the match ended in a draw and that the South Africans are still 1-0 up. Thats all that matters to us SA fans.

lol... if you say so CnC - maybe just read the headlines and look at the pictures then cos I expect a decent analysis of the match might just mention that dropped catch

Englander Wrote:

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> lol... if you say so CnC - maybe just read the
> headlines and look at the pictures then cos I
> expect a decent analysis of the match might just
> mention that dropped catch


talking about dropped catches. You would not have won the Ashes in 05 had Warne caught Pieterson on that 5th morning at the Oval. Pieterson went on to score a 100 and the match ended in a draw. Also if Billy Bowden knew the rules he would have given Kasprowiz not out when caught off the glove. His one hand was off the bat when contact was made. Also if Mcgrath had played in the two matches that England won then they would not have won and another thing if it were not for the Russian linesman we would not be hearing about 1966 everytime England play a football match.

???? CnC you off on one again?! lol ... well, I guess thanks for all that but the truth is, I don't quite see the relevance... what exactly is your point cos it sounds to me like it would have been a lot easier if you had just said "agreed" when I said catches win matches... :S

I'm not going to go through every dropped catch in the history of cricket or every wrong decision by a linesman, referee or umpire etc. This really does not need to be argued and is a waste of time and probably very boring, so let us just end it... if there is anyone who thinks that Petersen getting an additional 153 runs in that test might not have helped SA a little more than if Cook had caught him for 29 then that is your opinion and you are entitled to it (tu) I personally think it might have been to England's detriment and I wish he had caught it, that is my opinion and I believe I am also entitled to an opinion. Anyone who thinks the statement "catches win matches" is a load of cr*p, similarly fine, you are entitled to that opinion (tu) The complete history of bad decisions, mistakes, fortune favouring England and any other such event in the entire history of the world of sport etc (I do hope I have covered everything!!) isn't really relevant... but that is just my opinion! -

Seems there is trouble in the English Camp.... KP??

gregbucks Wrote:

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> Seems there is trouble in the English Camp....
> KP??

Think that will always be the case where KP is involved Greg. He strikes me as someone who does not like to be told what he can and can't do and if he doesn't get his way then he simply walks away and does what he wants with one particular door closed. He probably regrets it but at least he stays true to himself and suffers the consequences and for that I give him credit, whether or not I agree with him. That said, I don't agree with the way Gayle seems to treat the Windies and if Pietersen is the same then I wouldn't agree with him either. How much it actually affects the dressing room is an unknown. Shame really though, such a talent.

I was trying to put the cricketing genius that is Kallis record into perspective using his current opposition...he has more runs than any English player will ever make...and more wickets than all the current generation of bowlers...if he was English he would be a SIR