Pick 6 rules changes

2cents Wrote:

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> Frodo Wrote:
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> > I do not often disagree with you, but in this
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> > I do; although catching 'big money' for 'small
> > money' may be part of the dream, for me
> personally
> > if I wanted to achieve that, I would play the
> > lotto. The cost of a 'realistic' P6 perm when
> > needing to include couplings, would make it
> > impractical for the 'smaller player' imo.
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> > I would rather spend R100 giving me a 10%
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> > of winning R1000, than spending R1000 with a 1%
> > chance of winning R10,000 - but that's just me.
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> Why do you feel the need to increase your stake?
> Why not invest the same amount for a lesser %?

I gave up the notion of retiring on a P6 payout many many moons ago and started playing small with %......in 2002 I got a 15% of a R660K payout for a R54 layout and is to date my biggest win.....I have caught a big one every year since but with much smaller % but with a much bigger investment.....I have not shaped in the last 2 years and more recently find that I have to cut horses with upset probability just to stay in a budget and get a 1%.....those that I have cut have arrived costing me a payout.....my biggest wins were also the result of utilizing scratchings and couplings now with coupling falling in the way I would have to increase stake and have no budget.....I will then only play on carry over days.....and not feed the daily pools.....:S

2cents Wrote:

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> > A lot of the small punters only invest R6 for a
> 1%
> > stake now for the P6.............now they
> > potentially HAVE to up their stake to still get
> > the 1% and they dont have the extra, as they
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> > play small % tickets in the PA and Jpt. The guys
> i
> > have spoken to are going to rather invest the
> > little extra in the PA and Jpt going forward. I
> > know this seems silly, but more the reality for
> > the R6 punter................who is deemed the
> > lifeblood of racing in SA by Vee
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> More reason to support the open bet then X( <

You are being naive if you think you are playing the open bet Darryl.

Justanotherpunter Wrote:

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> > > A lot of the small punters only invest R6 for
> a
> > 1%
> > > stake now for the P6.............now they
> > > potentially HAVE to up their stake to still
> get
> > > the 1% and they dont have the extra, as they
> > also
> > > play small % tickets in the PA and Jpt. The
> guys
> > i
> > > have spoken to are going to rather invest the
> > > little extra in the PA and Jpt going forward.
> I
> > > know this seems silly, but more the reality
> for
> > > the R6 punter................who is deemed
> the
> > > lifeblood of racing in SA by Vee
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> > More reason to support the open bet then X(
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> You are being naive if you think you are playing
> the open bet Darryl.

Open bet allows you to take less than 1%, doesn't it?

jap please explain what you meen

The big companies that are supposedly laying the open bet are managing accounts very closely these days.If you are a nett winner,even more so.Players that show a nett profit on tote bets might as well be putting their bets on the tote themselves,as the bookmakers are anyway.

Winners in this game are few and far between,but there are some.

What's the point of playing the open bet,when all you are actually doing is allowing the person monitoring your account the opportunity to increase his own income by phoning his mates with your 'business'.

Of course the new p6 rules are going to suit the big players.Just like in all walks of life,money goes to money.

It's just another naievity if you believe otherwise.

The Jackpot in the UK was £1.6m over R20m the other week and the bet is not played as much as the p6,no couplings on the uk tote

Justanotherpunter Wrote:

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> The big companies that are supposedly laying the
> open bet are managing accounts very closely these
> days.If you are a nett winner,even more so.Players
> that show a nett profit on tote bets might as well
> be putting their bets on the tote themselves,as
> the bookmakers are anyway.

My comment was tongue-in-cheek aimed at Saftote which seems inadequate in accepting bets of less than 1%. Best they look into this before losing more customers.

I love to to punt and have always been a small time punter. The rule changes in the Jackpot made it interesting to me and it is a bet I concentrate on mainly...but it is now a much more difficult bet.My strike rate is probably around 50% if I wager to win between 40 - 70% of the payout and about 75% if I bet to win a minimum of 20% of the payout.
When the pick six costs was 10c per unit, I made an absolute killing because I played to win no more than 40% of the payout and with the average payout at the time around R25k and my strike rate around 70% is was great fun.

At R1-00 a unit the bet required a bigger layout for a return of between 10 - 20% and it was still profitable but a lot harder to catch.

The new rule change on a personal level will probably me see giving up on this bet because unless you from a syndicate it will become a bit like the lotto for the small punter...you play without really thinking that you'll win.

...And to Harry Hotspur...the smaller punter generally lays out quite a bit more than R6-00 on the pick 6.

Now if the rule change was made and the cost per unit was dropped to 50c it would still be really hard to win but at least it would not make it quite as obvious that the rule have been made probably by a big player in the interest of big players.

Fair enough.

jap so what is different. if you punt fixed odds they take back if they feel is risky. also if you win to much they limit you.

Perpetual Wrote:

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> I love to to punt and have always been a small
> time punter. The rule changes in the Jackpot made
> it interesting to me and it is a bet I concentrate
> on mainly...but it is now a much more difficult
> bet.My strike rate is probably around 50% if I
> wager to win between 40 - 70% of the payout and
> about 75% if I bet to win a minimum of 20% of the
> payout.
> When the pick six costs was 10c per unit, I made
> an absolute killing because I played to win no
> more than 40% of the payout and with the average
> payout at the time around R25k and my strike rate
> around 70% is was great fun.
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> At R1-00 a unit the bet required a bigger layout
> for a return of between 10 - 20% and it was still
> profitable but a lot harder to catch.
>
> The new rule change on a personal level will
> probably me see giving up on this bet because
> unless you from a syndicate it will become a bit
> like the lotto for the small punter...you play
> without really thinking that you'll win.
>
> ...And to Harry Hotspur...the smaller punter
> generally lays out quite a bit more than R6-00 on
> the pick 6.
>
> Now if the rule change was made and the cost per
> unit was dropped to 50c it would still be really
> hard to win but at least it would not make it
> quite as obvious that the rule have been made
> probably by a big player in the interest of big
> players.


with a strike rate on jackpots at 50percent and on p6s at 70 percent it should make no difference to you at all what the unit cost is...thats the greatest strike rate iv ever come across on any bets never mind pots and p6s