Pick 6 rules changes

where do the tote have the bigest take out is where the answer lies

If these idiots are serious, then they should rather consult with the people that actually play the bet before making any changes. I know of many smaller punters that are already talking about giving up on the P6. Why don't these clowns make a new bet rather with the new rules and see if that pool will exceed the current P6 pool.

Flash Harry Wrote:

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> where do the tote have the bigest take out is
> where the answer lies


Errrr, is it not a standard 25% ???????

If every Punter does not increase their Bets but only take a smaller percentage I fail to see how the Pool can grow. Today on TT Vee & his side kick catergorically stated that the changes are to make the P6 the Looto bet of Horse Racing, IMO it already is with the present rules. If one looks at the Looto Pools they increse exponentially with C/Os, not only in RSA but world wide and I predict the same will happen to the P6. I think that the Punters will ÇHASE the bigger P6s but in todays economic climate this will be at the expense of all the other bet types these Punters owuld of played.

My concern is the inept Policing of our sport at present e.g. form reversals and now all will also become LESS transparent. With the bigger P6 Pools (C/Os) IMHO just watch the cloak & dagger manipulation that WILL then happen, leading eventually to the general opinion that Horse Racing is rigged not being far from the truth.

Just an opinion.

Justanotherpunter Wrote:

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> The difference is they are taking my tote bets
> back anyway,why would I want to put them on
> somewhere when I know the whole of Chatsworth is
> going to know my business in 5 minutes
> anyway.That's happening with my fixed odds bets
> already,it's just with the tote bets I at least
> have the alternative of the tote where my business
> will remain confidential.


LOL post of the year.

harry hotspur Wrote:

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> Perpetual Wrote:
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> > I love to to punt and have always been a small
> > time punter. The rule changes in the Jackpot
> made
> > it interesting to me and it is a bet I
> concentrate
> > on mainly...but it is now a much more difficult
> > bet.My strike rate is probably around 50% if I
> > wager to win between 40 - 70% of the payout and
> > about 75% if I bet to win a minimum of 20% of
> the
> > payout.
> > When the pick six costs was 10c per unit, I
> made
> > an absolute killing because I played to win no
> > more than 40% of the payout and with the
> average
> > payout at the time around R25k and my strike
> rate
> > around 70% is was great fun.
> >
> > At R1-00 a unit the bet required a bigger
> layout
> > for a return of between 10 - 20% and it was
> still
> > profitable but a lot harder to catch.
> >
> > The new rule change on a personal level will
> > probably me see giving up on this bet because
> > unless you from a syndicate it will become a
> bit
> > like the lotto for the small punter...you play
> > without really thinking that you'll win.
> >
> > ...And to Harry Hotspur...the smaller punter
> > generally lays out quite a bit more than R6-00
> on
> > the pick 6.
> >
> > Now if the rule change was made and the cost
> per
> > unit was dropped to 50c it would still be
> really
> > hard to win but at least it would not make it
> > quite as obvious that the rule have been made
> > probably by a big player in the interest of big
> > players.
>
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> with a strike rate on jackpots at 50percent and on
> p6s at 70 percent it should make no difference to
> you at all what the unit cost is...thats the
> greatest strike rate iv ever come across on any
> bets never mind pots and p6s

Harry Hotspur...the stats I quote is genuine...I only concentrate on 1 racing centre (Western Cape) and if my Jackpot permutation is R400 my outlay for 50% obviously is R200. If I think the card is really difficult and my perm amounts to R1000...my outlay is R200 for 20%
I'd much rather take R2000 if the payout is R10 000 than to go for 50% of the payout and lose my money.
...and it really isn't very difficult to win the Jackpot with a R1000-00 permuation

The same applied to the 10c Pick 6 unit....I worked out a perm trying to cover all possible angles and then decided how much of the payout would make it worthwhile if I won.

Currently with the R1 unit I play the Pick 6 a lot less and generally wait for the right card to come along...there's always a trainer to follow or a specific horse that we wait for....but of course my strike rate is nowhere near 50% for this bet any longer.It could probably be but then I would only be able to win about 3-5% of the payout and that would not be worthwhile.

If you still doubt me...I'll probably have to post my Jackpot selections ...and make do with a smaller payout...not ayoba

Pickie is hard to catch as it stands, why change?

The Madji Wrote:

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> Flash Harry Wrote:
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> > where do the tote have the bigest take out is
> > where the answer lies
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> Errrr, is it not a standard 25% ???????


errrr no

Last week I took a R2000 quartet with an online bookie. I took it on the jump and won R7000. I was horrified to get a call 20 minutes later asking me not to place my bets so late as they need time to take back. I mean it was only 7000. Yesterday I fluked 192 PA's with the same firm. Straight after the pay pay I got a congratulatory call and a big thank you for coming early enough so they could cover. It's hard enough to win and then you have to worry that you have not broken any 'new rules' that have just been made up by a bookmaker with a 'bad loser' attitude.

Last night I was told of a betting firm who lays open bets in Curaçao with no access to our tote. Definitely an avenue to explore.

Harris Wrote:

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> Last week I took a R2000 quartet with an online
> bookie. I took it on the jump and won R7000. I was
> horrified to get a call 20 minutes later asking me
> not to place my bets so late as they need time to
> take back. I mean it was only 7000. Yesterday I
> fluked 192 PA's with the same firm. Straight after
> the pay pay I got a congratulatory call and a big
> thank you for coming early enough so they could
> cover. It's hard enough to win and then you have
> to worry that you have not broken any 'new rules'
> that have just been made up by a bookmaker with a
> 'bad loser' attitude.
>
> Last night I was told of a betting firm who lays
> open bets in Curaçao with no access to our tote.
> Definitely an avenue to explore.


Who is this Bookmaker?

Name and SHAME. They are basically saying we will play tote for losers, but not for winners.

This is a mail I received on the 08/12/2012:

Dear Mr .......,

As per our telephonic conversation this morning, please note that with immediate effect all winning tote bets will be charged 6% betting tax.

Please be advised that any tote bets taken later than 5 min. before the official starting time of a race will considered null an void and will be cancelled immediately.

Please also be advised that we do not pay out more than the official tote net pools.

Please confirm receipt of this e-mail.

Thanking you

.......

Things are only going to get worse and worse.There is no such thing as level playings fields.

I've been to the gambling board about these issues.They are not in the least bit interested.As long as they get their revenue,they couldn't give a toss.

You are only allowed to lose,if you win in this game you have to 'operate' in order to try and squeeze blood from a stone.

JAP

Please name this bookmakers.