One-time winner rated 108 - what will Louis say?

True Harry lol

I am aware of UK derby facts and figures and sure other example but getting back to the July handicap, has a one time winner won it?

louisg Wrote:

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> He will say that the horse is a top horse and one
> of the few in racing. That the rest of the horses
> in SA are what keep the game going, selling
> publications week in and week out , providing the
> turnover to fund the industry and that the rest of
> the horses have a problem..... With
> handicapping.... The normal horses.....

(tu)

scotia Wrote:

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> True Harry lol
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> I am aware of UK derby facts and figures and sure
> other example but getting back to the July
> handicap, has a one time winner won it?


Dave because it`s a handicap,i would think that it`s very hard for many one time winners to have ran in the race

True Bob I am trying to think of one??
So do you think 9/1 is a bit tight for the horse

scotia Wrote:

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> True Bob I am trying to think of one??
> So do you think 9/1 is a bit tight for the horse


There was that controversial one of Azzies a few years ago I think...................ran 4th or 5th if my memory serves me!

rob faux Wrote:

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> scotia Wrote:
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> > True Bob I am trying to think of one??
> > So do you think 9/1 is a bit tight for the
> horse
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> There was that controversial one of Azzies a few
> years ago I think...................ran 4th or 5th
> if my memory serves me!

SERVICE ACE

Service Ace, u are on the ball Mr H

scotia Wrote:

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> Service Ace, u are on the ball Mr H

Hey,he's a bit younger than you and I Dave.................lol (mind you a lot of people are :X )

Didnt mr millard have a horse that came out of a graduation plate to win or was it place in the july??

This issue with handicapping is complicated by the one thing that appears to be too common..................blaming the handicappers for the system(a bit like blaming the judiciary for the laws).
The one area of the NHA who do a very good job in a non-exact science is the handicappers ,IMO !

I happen to personally not like the MR as a system as I prefer to see good horses win more races than mediocre ones,and I don't like to see handicapping taking the place of getting horses to racing fitness and I don't think that an industry that already suffers mistrust should have a system that is open to manipulation etc etc etc.

A solution,in theory,would be the majority of races (other than maidens) being banded condition races, but that would be a problem as trainers will not wish to run runners under sufferance(in the Race figure days most didn't know and there were no other kind of races anyway-there were no true handicaps under those rules)
The answer probably does lie somehow in the programming, though.

gregbucks Wrote:

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> Didnt mr millard have a horse that came out of a
> graduation plate to win or was it place in the
> july??

GB are you not thinking of Illustrador, if so, that won the Guineas before going into the July but may have been a two or three time winner when going into the July

Bayern im thinking of right prerogative or one of those...maybe im mistakened.... i could probably go look it up but 2 lazy...()