Trouble in PE
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10 years 9 months ago
Does this mean that Shams will have to close their own satellite yard in Kimberley (PITY) and that PE trainers (apart from Laing) will only have PE based owners and only use PE based jockeys???
Throws the local and national championships wide open
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supply and demand...market forces drive the requirement...when it doesn't suit them then they discourage it...all business operates like that... :dry:
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Sorry, I am on my phone as left computer at work and cannot open the attachment. What is the problem ?
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I would think that this protectionism will lead to litigation testing the legality................ add the operators vs bookmakers spat and govt's threat to intervene in the groom issue and it's all getting a bit unfriendly.
I was part of the insurance industry which got into a similar mess and failed to regulate itself sensibly and it resulted in complete over regulation by govt.
I have mentioned this warning before and one thing is certain............... if govt steps in the industry will wish like hell it had looked after it's own housekeeping.................talk to people in the insurance industry today.............legislated regulation is a complete overkill!
(on this issue specifically,I guess that in the club days each racecourse could probably have made its own rules but it will be interesting if racecourses under one control(ie Phumulela) can allow and justify this. In fact,a case could be made for visiting horses being at a disadvantage!!)
I was part of the insurance industry which got into a similar mess and failed to regulate itself sensibly and it resulted in complete over regulation by govt.
I have mentioned this warning before and one thing is certain............... if govt steps in the industry will wish like hell it had looked after it's own housekeeping.................talk to people in the insurance industry today.............legislated regulation is a complete overkill!
(on this issue specifically,I guess that in the club days each racecourse could probably have made its own rules but it will be interesting if racecourses under one control(ie Phumulela) can allow and justify this. In fact,a case could be made for visiting horses being at a disadvantage!!)
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Re: Trouble in PE
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We in SA are moving rapidly towards a communist society. Please may sense prevail and selfish ambition make way for the will to be the best? If you are no longer good enough, do something about it to become competitive.
I remember the old PE days when Oom Stan and Uncle Andy used to rule the roost. Nobody dared challenge them.
Fortunately times have changed. I love the challenge of PE racing with so many new faces and horses. It has improved the quality of the competition in PE.
Sad day for PE if this is true
I even see Gav's name mentioned. I thought he only played golf nowadays...
I remember the old PE days when Oom Stan and Uncle Andy used to rule the roost. Nobody dared challenge them.
Fortunately times have changed. I love the challenge of PE racing with so many new faces and horses. It has improved the quality of the competition in PE.
Sad day for PE if this is true
I even see Gav's name mentioned. I thought he only played golf nowadays...
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Re: Trouble in PE
10 years 9 months agoCraig Eudey wrote: Sorry, I am on my phone as left computer at work and cannot open the attachment. What is the problem ?
PE Trainers Shy Away From Competition?
We can't beat them - so let's just ban them!
Updated November 6, 2014
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All is not well in the state of Denmark – or should that be Port Elizabeth? The word is out that free trade and fair play may have been cast to the winds that howl around Fairview and its environs.
It seems that well-connected and powerful local trainers have chosen to institute protectionist policies, rather than compete against the likes of win-hungry, top raiding Capetonians of the ilk of Justin Snaith, Glen Kotzen and Mike Bass.
And chatting to locals, it appears that the once happy family that was the PE horseracing community has been divided by in-fighting and differences, with local trainers at each other’s throats with personal vendetta’s at play and a general struggle to reach consensus on the most inane of things.
Is it simply a sign of the tougher economic times that we all find ourselves in – or is it just a case of a comfort zone and not wanting to compete for a lesser share of a tasty pie?
A change to the local conditions that, amongst other things, apparently categorises satellite yards as visiting trainers and imposes restrictions on maidens and MR 64 colts and geldings and MR 60 fillies has been proposed and seemingly blitzed faster than Hear The Drums through the process by a committee that included local Phumelela representative Luciano Passerini, and multiple champion powerhouses, Gavin Smith and Alan Greeff, as well as Grant Paddock and Gavin Venter.
“We were given little time to provide any input on the changes to the local conditions. We received the memo on Monday and were told that the programme would be going to print and feedback was required by the Wednesday” says a trainer who wishes to remain anonymous, through fear of recrimination.
The trainer adds that vested interests and the success of the highly competitive Capetonians have led to a desperate rethink by certain sectors.
“Just look at the win totals of the PE champion trainers of years gone by. Now they have to share and train less winners. It is painful and it has impacted on lifestyles. So if you can’t beat them, just ban them. Sound familiar?”
The move smacks of a similar policy introduced by Gold Circle in KZN some seasons back in order to protect struggling local trainers against the powerhouse outside yards.
Port Elizabeth has grown in popularity over the years with the introduction of the polytrack in October 2013 leading to an enhanced spectrum of opportunity for owners and trainers.
Capacity fields are also the order of the day and as a betting product, the popular centre forms an integral component in Phumelela’s product offering.
But at the end of the day any restriction on competition and consequential constraints on standards must be to the detriment of the quality of the horseracing.
And horseracing is a sport with exacting standards. If you are not good enough to compete, then surely move on and try something else.
The practice amounts to nothing more than blatant anti-competitive protectionism and can only promote mediocrity.
What is your view?
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Re: Trouble in PE
10 years 9 months ago
And I thought both centres were in the same country,don't think any Newmarket or Lambourn trainers have trouble running up at Ayr..
Reminds me a bit of Grumpy Bart Cummings moaning about Dermot Weld winning The Melbourne Cup..
It's called "Competition"
Reminds me a bit of Grumpy Bart Cummings moaning about Dermot Weld winning The Melbourne Cup..
It's called "Competition"
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10 years 9 months agodavetheflower wrote: And I thought both centres were in the same country,don't think any Newmarket or Lambourn trainers have trouble running up at Ayr..
Reminds me a bit of Grumpy Bart Cummings moaning about Dermot Weld winning The Melbourne Cup..
It's called "Competition"
He was a funny sod
Moaned like fuck that o brien ruined so you think
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He ended his career a 10 time grade1 winner and rated 125
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