Trouble in PE

at this time, the proposed change in conditions only applies to PE

Now all we need is for struggling jockeys to ban visiting jockeys 'cos they don't get rides?

I see the author if the article doesn't understand the GC rules either! :blink:

Hi, the Snaith satellite yard has been running in PE for +- 13 years, they have contributed to the local revenue on a massive scale as have local trainers, they are restricted to 44 stables and other satellite yards are restricted to 36, though Bass and Kotzen only have 18 each due to shortage, those stables became available due to local trainers either closing or downsizing. Local trainers are restricted to I think, between 90 and 100 horses, with the 2 big yards restricted to +- 140. The local PE trainers who have their own premises, have no restriction on their numbers.
There is a waiting list for stables, but 1st on the queue are the big or single owner local trainers, so new trainers wanting to start, have very little chance of getting stables. Small local trainers who knew trainers were looking for stables, were selling their yards to these trainers and going into partnerships. This was stopped by Phumelela a few months ago.
By restricting the satellite yards from only racing 65 merit or better horses (60 or better, fillies), is definitely allowing a monopoly to be formed. what would happen should a satellite yard have a horse rated 65, have one run, be unplaced and drop to 64, the chance of that horse ever getting a run for that yard are minimal, so that trainer acting in the owners best interest would have to advise that owner to move his horse to a local trainer.
Should satellite yards and visiting trainers (there are already restrictions in place) be restricted even more in what horses they can race in PE, what is stopping every other center in the country to start implementing the same rules.

All trainers in PE were given the chance to put their ideas forward to the programming commitee to make racing in PE more fair for local trainers and owners. Cape trainers are only doing their job by trying to do the best for their owners. However the PE merit ratings are not equal to WC ie a 74 there is probably equal to our 82. Their 66 is equal to our 72. So the best way is to raise the raiders MR by at least 6pts when visiting.

Problems start at the top of P management. When stables came available they weren't offered first to PE trainers to try and build their local businesses but were given to CT trainers....

The top is very closed ranks with friends listening to friends and not to the "rank and file" who dont count in P life.

How much of this "too many low rated horses and nowhere to race them" is being created by this lowering of MR to keep bad horses competitive.
Is there not a time or level that a horse is just a horse and not (or no longer) a racehorse?

Have said for years , why would you race in the Cape when the prizemoney is nae that much better than a gaff

The Cape should apply for more fixtures

Two points
1) The Merit Rating Handicapping system was implemented to fill fields. This resulted in filling stables, as horses got an extension on their racing career. In the "old" days, when a horse won it's maiden up here, it got tougher thereafter. Nowadays, the opposite applies. In those days, once a horse which took 10 or more runs to win, broke his/her maiden, it was more than likely shipped off to PE. With MR, that flow has dried up. In the new era, the minor centre Trainers now cannot rely on the automatic flow of horses and have to compete to buy at Sales. They always bought at Sales, but now they have to buy more horses, to ensure that they are competitive.
2)Right now, racing is at the most competitive level in the history of the game in SA. The strong are getting stronger and the weak are falling behind. We have put it across very clearly to the whole team that we are going to have to dig deep to stay in the game and that if or when we cease to be competitive, we will pack up and leave. In essence, we cannot leave it to the Operators to "carry" us, or to "protect" us, nor can anyone else be blamed if we don't make it. This is our attitude. We are struggling to keep our balances at present, but are putting in huge efforts.
The game is tough. We believe that there will definitely be an exodus of Trainers. We hope that our efforts allow us to stay.

Concerned racer wrote: All trainers in PE were given the chance to put their ideas forward to the programming commitee to make racing in PE more fair for local trainers and owners. Cape trainers are only doing their job by trying to do the best for their owners. However the PE merit ratings are not equal to WC ie a 74 there is probably equal to our 82. Their 66 is equal to our 72. So the best way is to raise the raiders MR by at least 6pts when visiting.

Problems start at the top of P management. When stables came available they weren't offered first to PE trainers to try and build their local businesses but were given to CT trainers....

The top is very closed ranks with friends listening to friends and not to the "rank and file" who dont count in P life.

Taking up on another thread Hear THe Drums was rated 112 and showed that was not his rating when he raced in the Cape Flying Championship - What's the point of having a MR system when horses that are rated 80 in PE are not actually 80 in the Cape or Natal or Gauteng? We have Two Gun Kid as an example - He could not win at 75 in Gauteng but now is a 90 in PE - he has a higher rating than MAGIC SMOKE and equal to CLASSIC ILLUSION who are both Graded Winners.
How can this be correct? So If I have a true 90 in JHB or Cape then I'll always have one up on the locals as their rating(like the Vaal Sand) is inflated.

Well said (imo) Louis. I just wonder whether any other trainers or jocks or even owners will be prepared to share their views? This is a very necessary debate for racing everywhere

Haupie wrote: Well said (imo) Louis. I just wonder whether any other trainers or jocks or even owners will be prepared to share their views? This is a very necessary debate for racing everywhere

If you ask me CR above is conected

mr hawaai your reasoning is flawed as copper parade the equus champion sprinter I believe and blaze of fire to a lesser degree performed extremely well in the major centres in group one races