Well done Laff

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Re: Well done Laff

7 years 8 months ago
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Tony T wrote: Call me old fashioned but this is my take on the barrier trials situation. As a racehorse owner, I will not pay for these trials as I expect my trainer to run my horses fit & well.
Horseracing, the sport which we all love, is on an irretrievable downslide. The reasons for this decline include many different aspects especially the modern day punter preferring sports betting, lotto numbers online casinos etc. Bookmakers & those who are influenced by them do not help the credibility of our sport.
Whatever the outcome of these barrier trials they will be seen as just another excuse by those professional complainers who never miss a chance to criticize & who feel they have a divine right to the trainers or owners information or comments. I'm sure Bob is sick & tired of certain clanners nagging him when he doesn't post the comments.
Chicken is correct. Trainers should be careful when posting their comments. They are in a lose lose situation. Whatever their comments are there will always be certain people who complain and who feel hard done by. The fact that Marcus doesnt want to be interviewed after winning a race shows that whatever he says about his remaining rides, he will be taken to task for things like, not telling the public or not trying hard enough or whatever criticisms the complainers come up with.
I read Easys posts on this topic carefully and I think his opinions are mostly correct. Who, besides a select few, are going to benefit ??
Finally, we are all good people who believe in equality & righteousness & equal opportunity etc etc etc but,If, there is a chance to pull of a coup, which is seldom successful, shouldn't I as an owner have first go at the bookies, after all I am paying through my teeth for my horses upkeep & training.

The cost should be no more than if a trainer was to take a horse to the course for a grass gallop..which most will do. The risk is likewise equivalent.
The "first go" at it theory is a problem with some punters, and is completely taboo in most countries around the world . It's a short term ,but natural view , to have as an owner/ trainer or those involved in the small circle surrounding the yard. But , exactly the sort of " perspective" racing is trying to avoid ...the small clique screwing over the mass punting public...true or not.
And let's face it...very rarely do the bookies not have a source that's singing long before betting opens.
I agree barrier trials are not an answer to everything, and there is as Easy has listed, things like vaccination dates, horse weights, dare I say ..sectional timing? is easily accessible and could even more easily be presented to punters with minimal effort.
However, barrier trials do serve a purpose and while everyone bemoans the problems besetting declining industry I find it spectacularly depressing that when someone actually tries something to address, it in some small way, all some can think about is how it might , conceivably affect themselves in a very specific and rare occasion.

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Re: Well done Laff

7 years 8 months ago
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Barrier trials for horses coming back from a break is what we need more than barrier trials for first timers.It will help the first timers have a run at the course but we will probably not be able to decipher much as they probably won't show anything as they still learning the game.Horses coming back from a break on the other hand will show us exactly how fit the horse is as it had form that we could go by before the break and if the stipes are not happy with the run the horse trials until it is fit and then can compete in a stakes race.The guessing game would be gone out the window and trainers would not have to use a race to give the horse a run(which I think the rules state is not supposed to happen).Trainers,owners and punters all happy.
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Re: Well done Laff

7 years 8 months ago
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Nothing prevents trainers from other centers from having their first run in Jhb or Capetown then traveling to dbn...
Give everything but up!

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Re: Well done Laff

7 years 8 months ago
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Love your posts Easy, Tony T, Mac, Muhti, Adams.Frodo.
This is what makes ABC so balanced. A wide range of opinions.

Can't wait to " set up" one again....soon...LOL....

This whole exercise will be another waste of time, imho..., I maybe wrong though...

Maybe we should ask how many KZN Trainers were at the AGM....?
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Re: Well done Laff

7 years 8 months ago - 7 years 8 months ago
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some of the comments here are so archaic in nature it could easily simulate or replicate a heated discussion in parliament in the 1970s where a United Party member or some 'reformist' might have suggested a relaxation of say the dompas act and all hell broke loose :P
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Re: Well done Laff

7 years 8 months ago
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Thanks Louis. Upon reflection I agree with trialing potentially unfit horses. However, 1st timers winning & the odd successful betting coup brings some excitement to our industry.
We, as punters, feel that if we can get 1 over the bookmaker,s for once, its a bit of well deserved payback. !!
As an example, the first race yesterday, Power Of Love, in the grooms race. The dogs were barking, the mice were squeaking & the fish were doing somersaults s the day before the race. The connections obviously pulled of a small coup 4s into 15/10 & the only unhappy people were the bookmakers & a few New ABC form wafflers who's egos got bruised because they couldn't "advise" us regarding the horses chances.
I think the key to enjoying our game are the trainers. My guy is open, honest, an absolute gentleman & a pleasure to deal with. He has become a personal friend & without him I would not persevere. I once asked him why he doesnt post his comments, he replied. "Damned if he does & damned if he doesnt". The key to remaining in the industry is to enjoy the game & at the moment I love it !!!!

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Re: Well done Laff

7 years 8 months ago
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Well, Mydada, the trials are going to go ahead so the dompas act will be relaxed. I am sure that you won't complain about how these trials are done and that everyrhing will be so much better for u with first timers and we will all benefit. Please post all your winning results based on Trainers comments on first timers and on the results of Barrier Trials, when they start happening...

Everyone is happy and all will benefit from this Messianic Intervention....., excepting, of course, the Owners. But, hey , who gives a stuff about that bunch , who provide the runners and finance the very fields which we bet on? THEY have no rights, THEY are not supposed to bet - THEY must just pay and pay and pay and be happy with 8 to 10 come race day with their nice first timers . Its all about Punters and Turnover and the rest don't count, right...?

For the record more than 80 percent of KZN Trainers were at the AGM and the vote was unanimous. I will support them, even though I am against the idea.
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Re: Well done Laff

7 years 8 months ago
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$300 for a barrier trial in Australia

Sure the cost will spiral in SA

It’s great for the punter?

Yea!

But remember punters find it hard to study form just now!

Only 5% of punters are winning punters long term, so imo it’s more of a help to the sharks and not the 95% fish

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Re: Well done Laff

7 years 8 months ago
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Hail the owner.

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Re: Well done Laff

7 years 8 months ago
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Love all the comments as I am always learning something from each discussion thread. There are good arguments each way but in the long term I lean towards transparency as it should be a plus for the game.

I however believe that through better game design punters will not be inconvenienced or prejudiced by a result that might have been expected by a privileged few.

Better games will also improve the funding base and if these funds are returned to the rightful beneficiaries will make coup's less necessary for owners to benefit.

We need multiple solutions to make racing the best game in town again and this is a step in the right direction.

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Re: Well done Laff

7 years 8 months ago
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Getting Formgrids back is 1 trillion times more important
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Re: Well done Laff

7 years 8 months ago
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No arguments there Bob but we need different things to get racing moving again. Even on the product side you need some specifically designed to stimulate interest, others for turnover maximisation and yet a few more to guarantee retention.

All the other essential tools like formgrids, barrier trials, visual and easier access platforms are part of customer satisfaction requirements in a whole chain of things that the sport needs to do well.

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