Well done Laff

pulling coups on first timers is narrow-minded, very bad for racing's image and when the coup fails -as many do- it's a double whammy. it's not just bookies that get fooled it's the public.

Its been proven in the UK that people will even bet on virtual racing.

On here (abc) everyday people BACK selections put up by others.

Some do it blindly without even consulting the form.

The USA also publish workouts ( and not just 1 barrier trial, FULL workouts) and racing is still in decline. Its ONLY simulcasting and slot machines that keep some courses afloat.

So the question then is WHY is it so successful in other countries. I can think of ONLY 1 answer. They don't take shit from the shorties and the trainers. The term persona non grata gets enforced. Public perception in those jurisdiction of the CONTROLLING body is one of respect and faith. They know that if there is a transgression the punishment will be swift and final.

THATS how you bring people back to racing, faith in the system...... the product is irrelevant.

Ask even the most hooked heroin dealer if he buys from just anyone. Of course not. He trusts that the guy / gal he gets it from cuts it properly and that his life is not at risk.

Same with racing. Lafferty is trying to alter perception and install faith but all that means and will amount to nothing if the system is not robust and firm.

Look let's be honest Coups will still be pulled off - Horses will be trialed and will come on big from that run and if punters rely on the trials as a result posted they will be out - But horses that have been rested will be the real benefit to the game - Life is about perception and the more we move towards a game that is perceived to be straight the more we can encourage new money... I have from time to time been privy info regarding babies and the trainer has SHOWN me how poor a horse works only to find it grows wings when it gets into a race - Flesh and blood with individual minds so never can we say 100%(that's just the Jockeys !!!) "Can't lose"

Mr H

correct.......what about looking at it differently.

run a precocious 800m specialist knowing full well the rest of the barrier trial is going slow then horse is nominated to run over 1000m opens up 7/10 and there are gazillions offering 13/10 on the machine (not bet fair the south african one) HOW does that help joe public and LAY LAY LAY

So , it appears that certain trainers and owners feel that punters have no right to information regarding their own particular runners, based on their investment and monthly payments etc., Fair enough.
I'm not naive enough to believe for a moment that the trials will in every instance prove to be an accurate assessment of the horse's chances and ability. The first timer trainers comments is about as useless as it could be. Likewise many trainers will find a way around this trial issue.

What this all really means, is that as punters studying form or watching the betting, the odds are so stacked against you winning, as a result of a few shrewdies plotting and scheming, that it makes punting on horseracing a worthless pursuit.

Perhaps more and more people are realising this and therefore turnover on horseracing is in steady decline.

Only time will tell how long LG , easy and co can fool all the people all the time.

Sealegs

I dont fool anyone. Ive tipped my horses ON AIR at 16/1 50/1 10/1 and they have won. I have said leave alone when i know they not eating I've done my bit for racing.


You all miss the point.

There are still NO repercussions (real ones) anyway in South Africa for "pulling moves" and there is ZERO or less investigations into in and out running.

Surely we should fix the Court room 1st , then the police force , then explain the rule book and then start with the fluff.....

keniza999 wrote: pulling coups on first timers is narrow-minded, very bad for racing's image and when the coup fails -as many do- it's a double whammy. it's not just bookies that get fooled it's the public.

.....punter FOMO and the big coups landed on 1st timers are few and far between.....the slightest inkling of betting support seldom goes unnoticed....the only way to get away to land something at big odds 1st time out is not to let a soul know a thing and disguise the punt in exotic bets.....you work the horse with a groom before the sun is up.....look for a race without too many potential spoilers.....you engage some unwitting apprentice claimer.....instruct him to point it at the winning post and don't fall off.....and hope like hell for the horse to jump and run straight..... :blush:

.....but when these long shot 1st timers do win or run into the frame.....generally their is no coup ...no expectancy of elevated performance or any inkling of ability in work.....these are the real unexposed and rear talents I sometimes find based on genetic make up.....not on the day of the race......I may have seen them in a sales catalog or in a NHRA breed supplement and made a mental note to get in when they get to a race....sometimes given an an easy or a bad ride but have a stab the next time.....small bets big returns....when cards are made available I go straight to the 1st timer races.....not only here but anywhere they step out geneticly correct specimens....this is one of the only things that keeps me involved.....studying and peeling pedigree and applying.....in most other racing jurisdictions you dont get the type of long shot value you can get here....because they mostly know what they have.....here, we get far more sending out a 1st timer to see how it goes.....and bang a big surprise.... :blush: .....now you want all to be exposed at a barrier to limit this element of surprise.....well in Singapore and other jurisdictions they still happen....

....remember the double edged sword cuts both ways.....having barrier trials are all good and well in racing jurisdictions where breeding does not take place because horses are imported on merit and have some pre-exposed form and those that dont are at the risk of the investor/owners placing an un-trialed horse in these jurisdictions......however having pre qualifying barrier trials will expose the no hoper also rans the inferior mismatched genetic experiments or even the well bred late bloomers much faster and they will never qualify to get on a track..... and really kill off the ailing local breeders and what is left of middle market and could end local racing instead of enhancing it.....we would have maiden plates with 5-6 better performing barrier qualifiers.....informal and bush racing would thrive and horse meat would become a staple daily protein..... :ohmy:

and Louis used to post PLENTY on here, gave everyone many many pointers ..... then the abuse started

there are hardly any grass races for the next few months,now they want to put more traffic on the tracks.the owners whose horses prefer the grass will just have to pay while their horses wait for suitable races.we know how good they are at maintaining the tracks.

Does Paul get paid as a Gold Circle board director?

easy wrote: Sealegs

I dont fool anyone. Ive tipped my horses ON AIR at 16/1 50/1 10/1 and they have won. I have said leave alone when i know they not eating I've done my bit for racing.


You all miss the point.

There are still NO repercussions (real ones) anyway in South Africa for "pulling moves" and there is ZERO or less investigations into in and out running.

Surely we should fix the Court room 1st , then the police force , then explain the rule book and then start with the fluff.....

when was that? I must have missed it. :dry:

www.sportingpost.co.za/2017/09/sa-barrie...o-to-barrier-trials/