Oscar Pistorius

this is only a bail hearing not the trial ...

What a mess... this is a bail hearing, not a trial for fruitcakes!!!

State must ascertain, is OP a flight risk??? if so, why???

Based on the above, bail granted or rejected. If OP flees then he's guilty but if he remains it doesn't prove he's innocent.

At this very moment in what I call a "bail applcation trial hearing" the state is completely at a loss for words, so massive amounts of our tax money will now have to be spent on trying to fix a few statements made today.

State : Claims pre-meditated murder - okay granted - based on what???

State : Evidence provided - shocking!!! to say the least - state are in BIG trouble...

State 0 / Defence 1 - A BIG 1

My personal opinion : Doesn't really matter, but if innocent then may he be proven so... however if gulity I hope he rots in the deepest pits of hell!!!

Just for the record.... I think he's so GUILTY it's a joke...

I think OP is guilty as sin
For the Steenkamp Family's sake I just hope this bail hearing and court case are not drawn out for longer than nessasary

This botha cop is a bumbling fool

I have a sneaky feeling even in the trial Oscar is gonna get off...I don't think the prosecution team are good enough to beat his defense advocates and lawyers even with all the evidence they have! Shows one what money can buy..

Absolutely ripping the states case and the IO to pieces! Contaminating of crime scene.....jeez man, really?! Come on SAPS!!!? Defense is throwing all the technicalities at them

And the cop previously told oscars advocate and his family that he dnt think bail will be a problem,watta knob

I am still puzzled as to why this is being cited by the Prosecution as a pre-meditated murder.

The Oxford English dictionary defines pre-meditation as follows: Characterized by deliberate purpose, previous consideration, and some degree of planning.

That definition seems way wide of the mark here. A crime of passion, as suggested by Mr H. is surely what it was but it seems the defence is looking to go for broke.

Whatever the outcome, one life has been snuffed out and the other is in tatters. All very sad.

Agree. I dont think its premeditated.............i think it's a murder out of passion...............and like Titch, i think there was something in the lines of an sms or a phonecall that ticked OP off and he just snapped!

oscar Wrote:

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> I have a sneaky feeling even in the trial Oscar is
> gonna get off...I don't think the prosecution team
> are good enough to beat his defense advocates and
> lawyers even with all the evidence they have!
> Shows one what money can buy..


Oscar until they change the law to say you can legally take pot shots into a door because you hear a noise this guy has Zero zip and no chance of getting off

Neighmaster Wrote:

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> I am still puzzled as to why this is being cited
> by the Prosecution as a pre-meditated murder.
>
> The Oxford English dictionary defines
> pre-meditation as follows: Characterized by
> deliberate purpose, previous consideration, and
> some degree of planning.
>
> That definition seems way wide of the mark here. A
> crime of passion, as suggested by Mr H. is surely
> what it was but it seems the defence is looking to
> go for broke.
>
> Whatever the outcome, one life has been snuffed
> out and the other is in tatters. All very sad.

But premeditation does not have a time frame, you can plan in a few minutes, hour, day, month etc....??

gordo Wrote:

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> Absolutely ripping the states case and the IO to
> pieces! Contaminating of crime scene.....jeez man,
> really?! Come on SAPS!!!? Defense is throwing all
> the technicalities at them


Guys, who has ever said the prosecution and the cops are good at what they do. We may have the best guys on the job we have avaialble, but they get paid 50k a month and Oscars guy gets 50k a day. Surely Oscars guy will work harder?????

I think he'll get bail, hand in his passport, hand in his guns and will face charges of culpable homocide. Best they can prove based on what we heard today

We still have to see what the forensic experts come up with

I think he is a murderer, but I am not the judge