Hollywood not paying out a WINNING bet

neigh wrote: To me a four is a four is a four, leg byes, over throws, runs, wides, you are betting on the amount of runs not how they are attained there are other bets just for that. Grey area again in the favour of the bookies..... :ohmy: :sick:

you wrong there neigh. So if you bet that a particular ball will go for 4 the punter holds all the aces.There has to be options of how the 4 runs will be scored. So what you also saying is a wicket is a wicket is a wicket no matter how the batsman is dismissed. If they go your way then they might as well not have any betting on the cricket.

CnC why aren't all the options priced up then ?

neigh wrote: To me a four is a four is a four, leg byes, over throws, runs, wides, you are betting on the amount of runs not how they are attained there are other bets just for that. Grey area again in the favour of the bookies..... :ohmy: :sick:

the bookie stipulated the various ways of scoring runs and the punter did NOT choose leg byes .. I would put my cock on a block that any court would rule in the bookies favour

neigh wrote: CnC why aren't all the options priced up then ?

no idea bud, maybe bookies messed up. Usually all options are available to bet on.

IMO the intention is clear from the way the market was priced up,however we also have an argument put forward "on the technicalities" ,so lets look at those.
I have a mate who is a qualified scorer so I asked his opinion,which is:
In the SCORERS book that 4 is not recorded as runs but as leg byes and in a the scorebook they are recorded technically differently ....runs are shown as runs and leg-byes are shown with a symbol in the form of an "upside down" triangle,
It is not correct to argue,therefore,that these were 4 RUNS,they would have been recorded as extras! - (Hollywood's betting sheet clearly states 4 RUNS)

Somebody on the forum must have scored a cricket match and can confirm please!

Always a grey area to their advantage. Never changes.

neigh wrote: Always a grey area to their advantage. Never changes.

thats why they drive Ferraris and the punter gets to the bookies on his bicycle.

rob faux wrote: IMO the intention is clear from the way the market was priced up,however we also have an argument put forward "on the technicalities" ,so lets look at those.
I have a mate who is a qualified scorer so I asked his opinion,which is:
In the SCORERS book that 4 is not recorded as runs but as leg byes and in a cricket scorebook they are recorded technically differently ....runs are shown as runs and leg-byes are shown with a symbol in the form of an "upside down" triangle,
It is not correct to argue,therefore,that these were 4 RUNS,they would have been recorded as extras! - (Hollywood's betting sheet clearly states 4 RUNS)

Somebody on the forum must have scored a cricket match and can confirm please!

i can as i was scorer

durbs wrote: Can't see the four leg BYES option.If Loopy had chosen option #9 and four leg byes came off the first ball would you have paid him out or would you have said you chose leg bye not leg byes(no more than one leg bye off the first ball)?Four runs came off the first ball but I'm sure there is always small print somewhere

So 110 % correct,

Fact of the matter is that there was 4 runs from the 1st ball which is exactly what I bet on ... it does not matter whether it came of the pad of off the bat imo ... in fact I did not even notice there is an option for leg byes, however that is irrelevant imo since I bet on 4 runs from the 1st ball which is EXACTLY what the result of the first ball was.... technical or not I believe that it was certainly NOT clear that the 4 runs needs to be scored in a specific way... 2 runs or 2 leg byes is exactly the same number of runs , so is 4 runs or 4 leg byes... 4 runs will always be 4 runs will always be 4 runs... would be so easy to avoid confusion to stats "4 of bat" iso 4 runs for e.g.

But that's just my opinion .. I respect the outcome regardless... does not mean I agree with it though

chicken n chips wrote:

rob faux wrote: IMO the intention is clear from the way the market was priced up,however we also have an argument put forward "on the technicalities" ,so lets look at those.
I have a mate who is a qualified scorer so I asked his opinion,which is:
In the SCORERS book that 4 is not recorded as runs but as leg byes and in a cricket scorebook they are recorded technically differently ....runs are shown as runs and leg-byes are shown with a symbol in the form of an "upside down" triangle,
It is not correct to argue,therefore,that these were 4 RUNS,they would have been recorded as extras! - (Hollywood's betting sheet clearly states 4 RUNS)

Somebody on the forum must have scored a cricket match and can confirm please!

i can as i was scorer

I was also say I was "a scorer" next to the cricket pitch and I scored around 50 games for the spirits CC in Singapore...we used an app to score and scored 4 runs as 4 runs whether they where 4 runs made by the bat or the ball or the thighs they still counted as 4 RUNS which was what I bet on ...

Needless to say I am peed off of the indiscretion since 4 runs as an option and they scored 4 runs to me is a winning bet... me as punter don't need to interpret what the bet states... it states 4 runs from the 1st ball...

Let it go Loopy, you will get them next time. Move on to the next bet

Most sensible analysis of all.
Bad luck Loopy