louisg tell the nha they are clue less

Craig , if the maths is right it's right-that's MR (although I am not a believer)
What would p!ss me off is if I was denied a win by a geriatric horse that the system is giving reborn status!

(I am in Howick, attended r2r gallops - only have tablet here and battery low, so apologies if I cannot respond to all)

Pirates, I think that I messed up by not putting my point across properly - I actually agree with you. I was just, at random, using Trip Tease, for Ziets to show me races available and where I will go with him through the season, as Ziets had mentioned Trainers inability to place horses properly.

I think that this horse sprang to mind, based upon his nett rating vs the programme etc.

I havent read all, due to low battery, after your first above post. But, as u know, I suffer from the same restrictions in KZN via my very small satellite yard there.

Overall, this has been an amazing thread and the wide range of input and knowlege here, has been very edifying.

One thing is fir sure, handicapping is very opinion based.

I would love to attend an open forum, where all opinions are expressed and to look at the final outcome, which would be a combo of all expressed here.

Sorry Justanotherpunter, but you are hopefully also an intelligent person.

The decisions of the handicappers can be extremely expensive to those funding the industry.

I am one of those, putting money INTO the Industry.

However, irrespective what the handicappers do, they will get paid their salaries.

Me? I have to EARN mine or if I am not good enough, I will lose mine. No guarantees.

Understand?

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> i will now bore you all to death with
> definitions....what is handicaping really?two
> great sports use hcap systems to level the playing
> field...golf and horseracing.the whole idea is
> that by the allotment of some type of impediment
> ,participants of different ability can compete
> against each other on equitable terms and
> therefore provide for interesting competition.in
> golf a players hcap is based on his recorded score
> as compared to par for the course.the resultant
> handicap is the number of strokes he requires to
> be deducted from his gross score so that it would
> give him a net score equal to par.the better the
> golfer the fewer strokes he needs to score
> par...in horseracing hcappers use the weight that
> a horse has to carry in a race to hcap.by either
> increasing or reducing the weight they attempt to
> equalise the chances of horses of different
> ability .the better the horse the higher the
> weight.handicaping is the foundation stone on
> which thoroughbred racing is built .it was
> introduced in the mid 19th century to british
> racing by admiral rous who was able to express the
> ability of horses as a function of weight.he also
> introduced a scale on which horses of different
> ages could be compared which has become known as
> weight for age....what is merit handicaping?as the
> name suggests ,handicaping on merit means that a
> horses allocated weight in a race will have been
> earned by the measurement of his previous
> performances,this means that the revealed ability
> of the animal is the primary basis for determining
> his hcap rating...last quote....is handicaping an
> art or a science?a bit of both it can never be an
> exact science because OPINION as well as FACT is
> involved

(tu)...and they are relying on every horse running to it's merit...not having a "prep" run...like virtually every other horse at Turffontein the other night....so...everyone is trying to pull the wool...and then blame someone else....-

Handicapping....requires an algorithm...no human factor...If you don't like the result....a panel changes the algorithm....
It's never going to be correct...and it cannot be because of all the variables....so we use the best practice....average/mean...whatever...:S

Louisg how do trainers put their OWN money into racing?

Genuine question

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> Louisg how do trainers put their OWN money into
> racing?
>
> Genuine question

I don't think they are all being paid well...some are in it for the love of the game....Like in all professions.....they too have pride...

some thick skin is need some times.....

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> > Louisg how do trainers put their OWN money into
> > racing?
> >
> > Genuine question
>
> I don't think they are all being paid well...some
> are in it for the love of the game....Like in all
> professions.....they too have pride...

Reality is that most trainers dnt know anything else and have no formal
Education so they stuck doing something they useless at

Oom louis
Got you a few races for trip tease but
the problem is , you never told me if
you want to stay on sand or want to
race on turf also ???? you also didnt
mention if you want to stick to sprints
or you want to try him over further .......
that makes it hard to "plan" because its
critical info you didnt give ......
Also if you planning to raid and how
sound he is at the moment and how
well he took his first race ..... all factors
in planning sir.... !!!!!!
So i made the assumption you will stay
at sprinting, not raiding and he is very
sound ........... here is 20 races until end
of Jan 2014 available to you for the
picking on sand and turf
( we all know that Buddy Maroun
would have a go at atleast 10 of these
races and will probably won most if
the horse incurred no injuries and kept
fresh and extremely racing fit)
2 NOV - TURFFONTEIN - GRADUATION
1160M
5 NOV - VAAL TURF - MR84 H 1200M
7 NOV - VAAL SAND - MR80H 1000M
14 NOV - VAAL SAND - MR80H 1200M
15 NOV - TURFFONTEIN - PINNICLE
PLATE 1160M
21 NOV - VAAL TURF - NOVICE 1200M
23 NOV - VAAL TURF - MR84H 1000M
26 NOV - VAAL SAND - CONDITIONS
RACE 1000M
30 NOV - TURFFONTEIN - MR92H
1160M
3 DEC - VAAL SAND - MR96H 1200M
10 DEC - TURFFONTEIN - SECRETARIAT
STAKES 150K 1400M
12 DEC - VAAL SAND - CONDITIONS
RACE - 1200M
14 DEC - TURFFONTEIN - CONDITIONS
RACE 1000M
19 DEC - VAAL TURF - GRADUATION
PLATE 1200M
24 DEC - VAAL SAND - CONDITIONS
RACE - 1200M
4 JAN - TURFFONTEIN - LEBELO SPRINT
HANDICAP 1000M 200K
14 JAN - TURFFONTEIN - MR104H
1160M
16 JAN - VAAL SAND - PINNICLE PLATE
1000M
21 JAN - TURFFONTEIN - PINNICLE
PLATE 1000M
21 JAN - TURFFONTEIN - PROGRESS
3YO PLATE 1160M
I cannot see how you struggle to plan
for this top young horse ..... endless
options available and lots of happy
days ahead .....
( when can i start ....lol)

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> > > Louisg how do trainers put their OWN money
> into
> > > racing?
> > >
> > > Genuine question
> >
> > I don't think they are all being paid
> well...some
> > are in it for the love of the game....Like in
> all
> > professions.....they too have pride...
>
> Reality is that most trainers dnt know anything
> else and have no formal
> Education so they stuck doing something they
> useless at

bit harsh IMO...maybe they enjoy it....most people do not have formal education....and worse still...most are useless at their jobs.....:

Pirhobeta Wrote:

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> > > > Louisg how do trainers put their OWN money
> > into
> > > > racing?
> > > >
> > > > Genuine question
> > >
> > > I don't think they are all being paid
> > well...some
> > > are in it for the love of the game....Like in
> > all
> > > professions.....they too have pride...
> >
> > Reality is that most trainers dnt know anything
> > else and have no formal
> > Education so they stuck doing something they
> > useless at
>
> bit harsh IMO...maybe they enjoy it....most people
> do not have formal education....and worse
> still...most are useless at their jobs.....:

Yeah have come accross many a doctor lawyer vet and other boffins that have the very highest education that money can buy......and they suck at their jobs too......:S

Easy, I am going on my own 3 horses in the weights yesterday. Over 2000m in a Hcp, Assessment would give Night Lock 2.5kgs. In a 2500m he would give him 4kgs. Which would you back? Even I can work that out! As I said Night Lock has run 2 4ths in 11 starts and 1 was in a 6 horse race and no stakes payout. In a race against La Sonadora he would have to give him 7kgs over any distance in a Hcp. Never.