louisg tell the nha they are clue less

Frodo

That race for sure is created in consultation with trainers at fl

Rockspider

Sir alex ferguson was a kak footballer but a great manager

You can be a great trainer but a poor form studier/ handicapper

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And more of that (consultation) is needed here imo

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Correct 1000% but thats got nothing to do with ratings. That race tonight is bottom of the barrel stuff but at least the correct horses are in it.

Why don't they put these handicappers on contracts which are based on performance rather than old fashioned full time jobs at least then performance would come into play!

Very good point Oscar, as whatever they do right now and no matter how much they cost the industry, they still get paid come month end.

lg im disapointed with your reaction regarding trip tease...he is a net 77 over 1000m on sand and will only qualify for an official rating on sand after 3 sand runs...salute the sun is a very good line horse over 1000m on the sand and you beat him 8 lengths and gold propecter the same age as triptease beat him 3.5 lengths...gold prospecter then came out on sand over 1000m with a gross of 81 and beat older horses by 5 lengths much to the amazement of all the experts who say how can a one time winning 3yo beat 4 and 5 time winners giving them weight...he then ran in the same race you had triptease in who unfortunately got scratched and won by 2lengths pulling up insound as well and beat tiger terrotry at levels when if a hcap would have got 2.5kg from tiger terotry...you see when gold prospector won the hcap he got the pathetic capped net penalty of 8 points and all these caps are a result of trainers owners and the powers that be interfering with the hcapers....if you think your horse is being to highly rated then dont become a punter because all things being equal he is as good as gold prospector if not better over 5f on sand....mac has previously mentioned what the role of the hcaper is and me and u louis have discussed the race program which you tell me the hcapers have a say in...i find that hard to believe but still who am i to argue...the problems that are discussed on here regarding finding races for all horses are deep rooted and the owners country wide who finance the industry along with punters are suffering cos a province like natal who many times cannot fill up fields decides on who and what can represent a satelite yard ...like i said the problem is deeprooted that is discussed on here and stems fromextreme short sightedness and a lack of cooperation amongst every corner of sa racing

Very very well said pirates


What you got trip tease at?

at least a gross 95..sorry beat salute the sun by 9.75lengths...the hcapers job is to make it competitive for all horses in a hcap just like in golf we have handicaps so the weaker players can compete..do not blame the race program on the hcapers

who put the rule in that horses at that win their maiden at 4yo cannot have a rating of higher than net 70 ?i wonder he trained a horse that won its maiden by a country mile and with a rating of 70 and having only 8 pounds penalty for each win was thrown in ...a true handicap should have betting of 4 to 1 the field not even money and 5 to 1 bar one...this horse went off at 1 to 5 for his next few starts in hcaps...the continued meddling has fcuked the merit rating system because in its purity it is the only way forward

"because in its purity it is the only way forward"

100%

a true handicap should have betting of 4 to 1 the field not even money and 5 to 1 bar one(tu)