louisg tell the nha they are clue less

Mac Wrote:

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> What about handicaps not by MR but by money
> earned????
>
> Why doesn't SA do claiming races where the owner
> gets to handicap his own horse???

claiming race make so much sense to me. i believe the big problem is TRAINERS who do no want to loose horse.........

louisg Wrote:

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> Ziets, Easy, you guys make my point. Also, I must
> say that I am in Rob Faux's cornerbon MeritvRating
> vs Race Figure system.
>
> Whichever way you look at it, the bottom line is
> that this one time winner has jumped a division,
> because of his easy win first time out. Now, this
> all seems fair in terms of Merit, but this
> "fairness" has cost the Owners a win in between.
> Not many Novice plates programmed.
>
> Now Ziets talks about rushing the horse's career.
> Easy suggests a Pinnacle Plate with a one time
> winner and you both now jump off the sand and to
> 1200m.
>
> And Easy, I cannot sell - wont get much, not when
> anyone sees his joint which has bumps on it like
> golf balls, which is why I bought him for R70k at
> last year's Nat 2yo Sale.
>
> No, Easy, its not easy - we all know that - but
> where we can, we need to improve the system!


That is why I believe that the problem is not necessarily the MR 'system' but rather the programming / scheduling of races - but even that issue has two sides - imo the operator can't be expected to schedule races every week or two for just these few 'exceptions' - the issue really boils down to the split between plated and handicap races to be provided - and there does not seem to be any 'right' answer to this - is 20% of races to be plated races (excluding maidens), or 10% or 40% ....:S

Another thing that crossed my mind is how this 'problem' is handled in the UK (or Aus or wherever) - how does the Timeform ratings work excactly - and if this is the answer, why can't we duplicate it here - or does this bring into question again the issue of claiming races?

Louis,

r u serious re?

the horse can only miss a division if YOU believe its rated LESS than its current rating. If you (like me) believe its a better horse than 88 then its missed nothing. What it has done is not run against horses correctly handicapped and scalped them because its superior.

I really fail to see why people want a horse above average (perhaps even a good horse) and then want it handicapped low so they can milk races along the way.

If Sir Mark Prescott trained this horse and it was as i believe a 102 then i reckon we would NOT see it till next years Emerald cup day where he would be entered in the
sorry just the hampton

he would open up 20/1 due to a 365 day rest and people thinking something was wrong with him, he would start 7/2 and win off 52kgs

that is the art of handicapping

no problem easy you just cost the owner 100000 with no garentee.

what ever flash, you know everything anyways. keep believing that your little south african world is the start of all things including racing.

all my stupid little brain knows is its far more expensive to keep a horse in training in the UK and every year horses come out after a > (thats greater) than 365 day rest and start fav and win over distances ranging from 1000m to 3 miles


maybe its a skill thing?

RF,he was merit rated in the 80's when we were made an offer for Mauritius. Another horse he ran 2nd to was Baron of Breedon who has now won 5. If the manager had known how good those 3 horses were going to be I am sure he would not have sold Snappy. Thought at the time he was a bridesmaid!

easy Wrote:

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> what ever flash, you know everything anyways. keep
> believing that your little south african world is
> the start of all things including racing.


What a kak statement E we are all debating this subject for the betterment of SA racing. Why the verbal attack? Solutions are not straight forward and nowhere did anyone think we in SA have a better system quite the contrary.

neigh

i am dissing the 2000 year olds thoughts

Neigh

Do you know how many trainers have told me that a horse MUST acclimatise before racing , after leaving the cape

100s


And then 2 weeks ago gavin smith wins a race on the toughest surface in sa wi a horse that arrived from PE on the thursday before the race.

Just shows you, think out the conventional ( box)

LOL bud, my knowledge on this subject is very limited, but I realise we have serious problems. I believe that with the right input and knowledge we can resolve this problem. Makes for interesting reading including your input. Now for change for the better !!

Hi folks,

Interesting debate.

What are claiming races?

Cheers